Janszen not Jantzen, sorry.
A full range speaker?
Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?
That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.
I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.
What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?
I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.
I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.
What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?
I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
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You all have to understand that there are very few speakers that can project under 80 Hz with authority in a normal sized room. The specs are taken at 1 meter. Anyone here listen to their speakers at one meter? This does not even account for what the room does and most rooms are awful when it comes to bass. To me a full range speaker does 100 Hz to 20 kHz. Below 100 Hz is in the realm of a specialty system designed specifically for 20 Hz to 100 Hz with room correction (really speaker correction) and enough power to handle the correction. There is only one speaker made today that is truly one way, flat between 100 Hz and 20 kHz and with a perfect dispersion pattern minimizing room interaction and I'll give you one guess what that is. Hint; it also has the lowest distortion of any speaker and the fastest transient response. |
mijostyn4,687 posts07-17-2021 11:40amYou all have to understand that there are very few speakers that can project under 80 Hz with authority in a normal sized room. The specs are taken at 1 meter. Anyone here listen to their speakers at one meter? This does not even account for what the room does and most rooms are awful when it comes to bass. To me a full range speaker does 100 Hz to 20 kHz. Below 100 Hz is in the realm of a specialty system designed specifically for 20 Hz to 100 Hz with room correction (really speaker correction) and enough power to handle the correction. There is only one speaker made today that is truly one way, flat between 100 Hz and 20 kHz and with a perfect dispersion pattern minimizing room interaction and I'll give you one guess what that is. Hint; it also has the lowest distortion of any speaker and the fastest transient response. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AS I guessed earlier The 20hz-40hz is nothing but pure fantasy. If you wish to believe in the 20hz-40hz, just great, Don't try to push YOUR fantasia agenda on to my ACTUAL REALITY/beliefs Not even Dr carlosn labs tests could convince me of the 20hz-40hz as **real** music, . Not even his science. I ain't buying. 40hz is all I'll accept at the very bottom. 60hz is where i really begin to say **Music starts here*. The real test of any speaker, From Bose to Wilson's $975,000 speaker, is how are the sonics in the 100hz-2k hz region. This is where all distortion/colotaion is comming from. Which is why i choose Magnesium cone material for my dual mids. This material shows near zero coloration/distortion. The only complaint is the low sensitivity, but as with all things its a trade off. = It is what it is, 87 db sens. You just have to accept this spec as part of the package. Which is why i know fora fact I would not like any speaker comming from Wilson's labs. Wilson uses Scanspeak's, which have rock solid punch, but has a flavoring in the lower mids that i just can not live with, = Grate my nerves. Magnesiusm is the New Midwoofer. Surplanting the old paper composites. I do use a paper tweeter which matches any dome tweeter on the market. This tweeter has zero distortion, zero coloration. Tweeters is not the issue in speaker coloraion, Its the midwoofers where all these nasty resonances come from. Fatigue comes from midwoofers 100hz-1500hz region. |
Mozartfan, you wish. I smell an excuse for not having a system that can do bass. There is a huge amount of information between 20 and 60 Hz. You can see it in real time with a measurement microphone. In about 15 seconds of observation you will eat your words and choke on them. It is painfully obvious you have no idea what you are talking about or you are just joking. If not you are spreading false information based on assumptions that are dead wrong. I hate that and I am happy risking getting kicked off this site to say so. Without adequate performance in the 20 Hz to 60 Hz range the FEELING that you are at a live performance disappears. It is just one factor required for the absolute sound but a very important one. I can demonstrate that to anyone in just a few minutes. |
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