A queston of Classe', or other amps



Several years ago I visited my Magnepan dealer with the cash in my pocket, and the prior intent to take home a pair of Magnepan 1.7i speakers. Driving the maggies was a Classè CP-800 preamp and a big pair of Classè CT-M600 Monoblock power amps.

I may have happily listened to the Magnepan 1.7i speakers for almost two hours when on a lark I asked to listen to the Magnepan 3.7i speakers. In only six notes I knew I would never be happy with the 1.7i speakers so I drove home with the cash still in my wallet and a plan to save up for the Magnepan 3.7i speakers.  It took a while for me to save another $4,000.

I am old and I must have the features that a remote control offers. Mostly just volume control; I am straight wire with gain kind of guy. I have owned RTA and equalizers but after the dog and pony show I always revert back to the clean basics. My critical application is stereo music.  Yes I have the Magnepan set up for home theater but I don’t see that as critical or near as interesting as 2 channel music. My only source of music is my Oppo 103d optical drive (as DAT) with my music collection on a 2TB USB hard drive. My days of tape decks, vinyl and tuners are forever over.

The only thing I did not like about the audition was the heat. The combination of Classe’ amps made the 18’x24’ showroom unbearably hot after only two hours of listening. My home listening room (only slightly smaller) is near my home thermostat and I can easily see the amps shutting down my furnace in the winter and tripling my AC bill during the summer.  I’m not going to do that.  Then again, do the mono blocks run any cooler with music at conversation levels?

So almost 3 years ago I purchased a new pair of Magnepan 3.7i speakers and a Rotel RC-1590 preamp (<0.002% THD). Those feed my 40 year old Yamaha M-2 power amp (350w+350w) into 4 ohms with <0.005% THD. And it all sounds OK, just OK. It does not sound as good as I remember with the Classè amps which just took my breath away.

When the current zombie panic is over. the dealer has a demo Classè CP-800 in stock which he told me I could have at a good price. Common sense tells me a clean 700wpc of the Classè monoblocks for 4 ohm speakers might be fun but should not be necessary (nor are they very affordable).  Am I wrong to assume I only need a preamp and not both pre and power amps?

I think my Maggies are well placed about five feet away from the back wall. I don’t think this is as simple as a speaker placement issue?

The Classè dealer also sells Acoustic Research preamps and PrimaLuna. I don’t know if I would group PrimaLuna with Acoustic Research and Classè?

 If I knew I wanted the 3.7i speakers after 6 notes; the difference to my ears was that obvious.  Could my Rotel be that mediocre? Am I going to spend $5,000 on a Classe’ pre amp and then wish I also purchased the monoblocks?

Is it my imagination that Classè monoblocks always act like 100,000 watt space heaters or is that only when pushed hard?

Sorry to be so long winded, I hoped that by expressing all the germane facts up front one might expedite the discussion.

 BTW, my preferences in music amounts to almost anything except Rap; mostly Jazz, Blues, Gospel, to a lesser extent some Classical and some Rock and Roll.

 


timothywright
timothywright,

I am the friend that Ron17 was referring to that just purchased the CA-2300 and yes I am thrilled with it.  Ron probably told me about your posting because I have only been somewhat joking with him about my listening room being cold compared to with my prior amplification, a BAT VK-500se batpak dual mono amplifier which was strongly biased towards class-A and therefor served as a room heater for my 800 ft2 listening room.  This was exacerbated because I left the amp on nearly all the time as it was not equipped with a standby mode.

The BAT is a wonderful amp and I will be very sad to see it go but the Classe is better in many ways; clarity, bass, slam, ambiance, are all just better and the difference was not subtle.  The design of the CAM-600 is basically a CA-2300 with the 2 channels of output internally bridged together.  The ICTunnel design has a variable speed fan that maintains optimum temperature for the electronics and it does not run warm compared to the earlier generations.  I also have a CA-5100 for surround channels and this amplifier runs a bit warmer but nowhere near the BAT.  

I listen to a huge variety of music from the last 500 years to the last 5 months and I listen at “elevated” levels.  My speakers are quite efficient (ProAc response 5) but I definitely like the 300 wpc of the Classe.  If you can afford the mono blocks, I would encourage you to buy them, I doubt you will be at all disappointed and they will not heat up your room (to my slight dismay).  In terms of preamplification, rather than the older and far more expensive Classe CP800 I recommend you consider the Classe Sigma SSP (either original or Mk2.  For a complete 7.1 pre-amp processor that originally sold for $5000 it delivers phenomenal sound and capabilities.  Add an Aurender (I have one available...) or a Roon nucleus with an outboard power supply and you have a phenomenal system for a reasonable budget.  

If you want to cut your costs in half on amplification. Ron is right, buy a 2300 and you will be thrilled.

One final note...  The system as outlined above demands and deserves high end power, interconnect, USB and speaker cables.  I am using Nordost Valhalla and they absolutely bring out the best.

Good luck!









Why waste money? Get a Crown XLS1502 amp. 525 wpc/4 ohms! $439 from Crutchfield, Parts Express and others with free shipping. Don't fall for the bs that only expensive boutique amps are worth using! 525 wpc is certainly enough for the 3.7's! And you don't need a preamp as the 1502 has input pots! So you can go direct from your streamer/DAC!
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First; thank you one and all; for your insightful, thoughtful, helpful contributions.  I am getting an education (via research) on “mid-size” Classè amps, midsize as in less than 1200wpc in to 4 ohm. I am comfortable but not wealthy and one could argue that at some point spending a fortune ($20,000) on huge monoblocks is actually unwise, wasteful and perhaps sinful.  I aim to peruse some moderate course.  Classè CA-M400, or CA-2300 so that my power amps are not worth more that what I drive around in everyday.

 In that the Yamaha makes 350wpc without clipping I do find myself listening at high power levels more often than I thought I would.  The maggies are so inefficient that if the amp is not clipping they could suck all the power out of the Hoover Dam hydro plant. I am still looking for that transparent imaging I heard with the Classe amps and sadly the only knob I have to tweak is the “more volume” but that isn’t giving me what I need.  I believe that if I could get the transparent imaging I am looking for at lower volumes I would listen at lower levels.  (> look at it as a system.)  I suspect the system approach mentioned is the most relevant critical analysis.  Thank you.

 It is not important to me, as in bragging rights or wife acceptance factor that my power amps are or are not in the form of mono blocks.  So something like a CAM-600 would be perfectly acceptable.

 It may come down to what the dealer has in stock as his demo items, he seems willing and able to horse trade.

 My listening room is only 15’ by 24’ with TV and speakers centered on the long wall.  My speakers are 5’ off the back wall. If my listening room became 100F every time I used my stereo I could never use it.   It is only recently with my latest PC build that my home office does not get 100F with my water cooled PC.  I hated that.

 I will not buy anything with out extended listening to it first, what I buy may be used (demo) but it will be “new retail”. The great simplification and saving grace is that I know I love the sound of Classe driving Magnepans.