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After market Motor + Belt drive for Verdier

I have been looking to upgrade my TT motor and belt drive for some time now. I use a Nouvelle Verdier and its only sore point is its motor and silk thread drive. It is not bad, it gets the job done. The sound is neat and in general non-offensive. However, when I used a 0.25 inch magnetic tape (reel to reel) to drive the platter the overall sound became more dynamic, voices sounded younger, instruments sounded happier. It was as if the pitch of all the instruments became more realistic. But then I also heard more of the irregularities of the motor rotation, the timing of instruments messed up a little. The background was no more as clean as the thread drive.

This told me two things:
1. Silk thread is good but it affects music in a way that makes the performance a bit sleepy.

2. The stock motor is not good enough to accommodate a tighter coupling with the platter.

So, I am now looking for after market motor and belt drive solution. I looked at Teres motor but for that to work they require a sensor to be placed under the platter but my TT doesnt have enough gap between the platter and plinth to place the sensor. I am looking for some viable suggestions here.

A friend of mine suggested me to consider a flywheel between the motor and the platter which will absorb the motor irregularities. I dont know if it is worth a try because I see many good TTs do not have a flywheel, that means a good motor is all I need I guess but I am open to the flywheel idea also.
pani
mosin
410 posts
 
Ct0517,
Unfortunately, the requirements for various motors is so vastly different that a one-size-fits-all solution is beyond the realm of possibility. Any controller with that claim would be a hoax. In the best case, it wouldn't be a very elegant solution.
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ct0517
2,041 posts
 
Mosin.
Have always tried to teach my kids to think big.
Tried to follow some of my own advice.
thanks for popping my bubble on the idea...
Cheers
maril555
619 posts
 
Live and learn...
I understand, that Walker controller would do little, if anything for Verdier motor, which is essentially a DC motor, and Walker is intended for AC variety.
Now, is there a controller, that would improve on Verdier built-in controller, and better yet, can be run by a battery?
Mosin,
it seems, that challenges of building an "universal" motor controller will be enormous, but how about making it more specific? To build one, that's intended for DC motors only? (little selfish, isn't it?)
maril555
619 posts
 
Mosin,
reading your original question again, I do think, that there is a market for a stand alone controller/motor/belt combination. And why wouldn't it be?
One could use this package with ANY belt driven TT, right? Did I get your question correctly?
And a controller in this case shouldn't need to be overly complicated, since it will be designed to be used with a specific motor, that will be a part of the package.
it's not going to be compatible with ALL belt drive TTs, due to the diiferences in platter mass, the height of the chassis and platter, etc., but still...
paul4972
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Pani, I just noticed your thread. You may have moved on from the idea of a Teres DC motor drive pod, but I got over your "problem" by neatly drilling the --unseen-- back of my turntable base to accommodate the Teres speed reader and never looked back. I am in the middle of transferring this set-up to a recently acquired Granito (Auditorium 23 version from Germany) based Platine Verdier. I discovered today I need a ball for the bearing! I have found the Teres unit with mylar tape drive on my Townshend Rock (heavy plaster of Paris base, vertical sided Delrin platter) to be an exceptional performer. The Motor is a very important part of the chain. I discovered this when upgrading from Teres' already very good "Signature II" motor, to a pre-used (now discontinued) Teres "Reference". I was quite amazed by the lift in results with the still better spec'd motor, with precious metals in certain places etc. Music was delivered with still more commanding grip, bass impact, air and space. A good quality well driven DC motor, with the relative inelasticity of a mylar tape drive, on a suitably isolated table delivers wonderful music with great impact. In my case, with a Triplanar arm, Decca SC4E cartridge, Croft valve pre, Yamamoto A-06-3 SET, and "Loth X Troubadour" single driver horn loudspeakers. I am looking forward to final set up of my Verdier. Do you think I'll like it ? cheers.
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