AI and the future of music

Last night’s 60 minutes featured a deep look at Google’s new AI program BARD. Frightening, yet compelling.

It got me thinking, if their AI has already read everything on the internet, and can create verse, stories, etc in seconds…What could it do for music?

‘Hey , BARD create a new Beatles like song from the Rubber Soul era, but have Paul Rodgers and Jack Bruce singing”.

“Hey BARD, create a song that will melt the heart of my new girlfriend”.


your ideas?


Well, there is value and importance to ongoing discussions about AI and how society will respond/be impacted.  There are things that loom negative in the future with regard to AI.  There are also positive things as well.  This is true with pretty much every innovation.  There used to be a thriving industry in large cites and smaller towns.  Individuals and companies had contracts cleaning up all the horse droppings in the streets as horses are, shall we say, unreliable with their bowel activity.  The invention of cars killed that industry, took those jobs away.  We don't even remember them.

And I'm not ready to elevate Mr. Hinton to prophet of god status.  And I wouldn't say he "abandoned" his career when he left Google.  First, I suspect he walked out the door with quite a few millions of dollars in his pocket (good for him) and, second, I'm certain as well that he will have not problem finding very high paying work in the industry when he wants.  So don't weep for Mr. Hinton's great sacrifice and let's not put him up on a cross.  

AI will bring value to art.  I don't know exactly what value, but I'm certain it will.  Maybe it will make the creation of art more accessible to people.  Maybe it will help people find the art that most resonates with them.  For instance, there's a great website called Music Map.  It's AI driven.  If you put in the name of and artist or group you like it shows other artists or groups that are close in style.  A couple of years ago while playing with it I discovered Goose.  I listened to them and liked them enough that I saw them last fall playing with TAB and Billy Strings.  Fantastic show.

Point is, AI isn't the end of humanism.  We don't have to be so afraid.  And of course companies focus on profit.  They have to.  We live in a capitalist system.  It's not perfect, but far more "humanist" than the systems in Russia or China. If a company doesn't focus on profit it will go out of business.  I like the products of the modern world, my audio system and, as I said earlier, being able to learn and grow from forums like this one, which is made possible by the technology of the Internet.  (as long as we don't talk about cables)

Interestingly, AI might well be successfully used to spot AI generated art/music.  Isn't that a curious thought.  And with respect to copyrights, I believe the Copyright Office has declared that AI generated literature is not copyrightable.  What that would functionally mean is that even though a copyright might inappropriately granted, enforcement would be stymied should someone try to sue based on the copyright.  So it's a piece of paper (virtual) without value.  Anyway, I think maybe this is roaming a bit afield from the intention of the forum and I do loath wasting people's time on the internet, even though I am fabulously talented at wasting my own.

And if anyone from ROON is reading this, please update your predictive algorithms.  I'm really NOT interested in hearing more opera


I never elevated him  to God status...My godlike status persons are deep mathematicians as Goerg Cantor or Ramanujan or Alexander Grothendieck or Alain Connes or Mochizuki and some others or great mystics in all religions... No engineers so useful they could be... 😊 Hinton was courageous to speak his mind against many sleepwalking engineers at least half of them ,... Then no godlike status here...

But it is very interesting compared to Le Cun  who win the Turing prize too  and disagree with Hinton  and  to listen what he spoke about...

By speaking so and quitting Google, he was politely mocked by the Le Cun crowds...

A. I. is not a "passive"  tool at all...For me and for Hinton

Even it will be used as a passive  tool...

I will not go further here but you missed the point Hinton make i will repeat :

No one program A. I. it will program us instead ...

Thats is the gist of the spiritual problem...

i will add to that that A. I. will not stay outside of us, but as Elon Musk ask for with the like of Kurzweil, we must merge with it, they claimed...


And I’m not ready to elevate Mr. Hinton to prophet of god status. And I wouldn’t say he "abandoned" his career when he left Google. First, I suspect he walked out the door with quite a few millions of dollars in his pocket (good for him) and, second, I’m certain as well that he will have not problem finding very high paying work in the industry when he wants. So don’t weep for Mr. Hinton’s great sacrifice and let’s not put him up on a cross.



well, we’re getting closer but, to me anyway, no cigar yet.

A blues song should take you to a new, though still familiar, emotional state; that A.I. “song” had the recognizable signposts but possessed no true emotional weight IMHO.

(listen to Statesboro Blues and rejoin the convo)

A.I. brings to mind a homunculus, a not-quite-there human being.

As long as we’re here we might as well bring up drum machines; now THAT was/is a controversial topic. I still remember finding out one of my favorite 80’s recordings utilized a drum machine…..and it was confusing emotionally trying to decide if I still liked it the same….



Sure, it is not competitive with unique / original heart felt blues. But that was the result of a 10 second endeavor… 5 to form the query and five seconds to receive the output.


Virtually anyone in the industry five years ago would say we were decades away from that being possible. Then overnight it was here.

AI is the most profound development in this and the last century. Whether the atomic bomb or AI is more important will only be clear in retrospect. I am not an expert on AI, but have had a career as an IT executive,  introducing cutting edge computer technology to large global companies… and I am humbled and concerned by it’s potential power… both positive and negative.

Judging by most of the posts here… few have a clue of what they are talking about. It is in everyone’s best interest to really learn about AI and its capability and dangers… particularly when directly coupled with the corporate profit motive. This is not like some 60 minutes special… that can give you an informed opinion on the subject. If you are under 50… you better start studying. AI may be the biggest existential threat you have ever seen, and unless you are on the leading edge the reason your life financial plan will likely go down the toilet.

How is the machinery of a machine

Any different from the machinery of the body