Dear Thomas,
I may be wrong, but the cartridge in the Triplanar was a MySonicLab, which isn't cheaper, but more expensive than the Dyna XV-1s(certainly true when you compare the "street" prices).
The DaVinci was used with a Dyna XX-2, less expensive than the XV-1s, but mechanically and sound-balance wise a better match than the XV-1s(IMHO).
The Tron Seven was an unknown entity even to me(though I've known Graham Tricker's excellent work for many years)and it too isn't more expensive than the Klyne or the Pass XONO which were the other partnering phonostages(all depending upon the export markets in question).
Only the Jelco arm with a Denon DL103 plus the Whest phonostage can be considered of "lesser" quality(but not bad by any means...) and cost.
Again, these were Mr. Woschniks choices, not mine.... ;-)
All the best,
Frank |
Frank, yes, I got a mail from Mr. Woschnick about the Set Ups, I will copy it here for info:
Triplanar + My Sonic Lab + Xono
Schröder SQ + XV1S + Tron Seven
Da Vinci + XX2 + Whest Audio P20
Jelco Vivid 2 + DL 103R + Klyne 6 Phono
all the best
Thomas |
Having spoken w. Thomas Woschnick several times about the differences in tonearms I can state that he will mention what he likes & dislikes. He won't come out & say what is better. I chose the Schroder based on certain design aspects that made it a best choice for me. I already own a 12 inch arm so I opted away from the Davinci which isn't inexpensive. He did mention the Schroder can be difficult to setup if you don't know what you are doing. To that extent he felt if it wasn't setup correctly other arms would outperform it. I am lucky to be purchasing an SQ which from what I have read should have resolved many of the setup problems. In addition I should have some help from Thomas seting it up. All I can say is I remember when I had my SME V w. my Condor perfectly setup & how I have never been able to get there again. At that time it had the most incredible bass. Now I am too focused on the Dynavector & listening to music to perfect the Condor setup.
Thomas is advocating the Tron Seven phono stage. He has mentioned it to be truly special with the XV-1s. He also mentioned other phono stages to benefit the Eminent (which initially prior to break in of the XV-1s I loved above all others) while the Tron was better with the XV-1s. This only goes on to show that it is all about total system synergy as advocated here.
As for the Tron, I am tempted by this phono stage but am confused by many design principles in various phono stages. I have heard great things about Shindo & am also very concerned about using any form of step-up transformer. I have heard some members here know more about this but that should be saved for another thread. |
Hi Frank, I fear I might have put words in Thomas' mouth, but i wish I'd been to Frankfurt to hear the 4 arms. I gather there was another interesting turntable demo with blind people doing the listening honors.
Dgad, I had the Tron Seven in for a couple of weeks and its an excellent phonostage. I could hear no problems to do with step ups, far from it. In my set up with several cartridges it had a very full bodied, big sound and seductive. Not quite the detail of the TEAD Groove Plus, but fuller and very involving. Another one to look out for is the new Viva, with seperate 300b valve power supply. I heard that recently and was v. impressed. |
Ebarker2,
I read you review of the Tron Seven. It was very appealing. I owned a Groove that I thought was excellent except for the inability to adjust it for different cartridges. I am also curious about the new VTL phono stage. It will be without a SUT.
I just got an email from Thomas about his latest "great" cartridge combination. It is one of many so realize there are many great combinations. I don't want to quote him directly without his permission but he mentioned that sound is a personal thing & that what he often likes or dislikes might be different from others. He also mentioned that it is system dependant. Thomas does not like sound where bass is sacrificed in the least for midrange or treble. He also refrences "live sound" as his goal.
PS, one of his phono stages aside from the Tron Seven is the Pass Xono. |
Received the 73 lbs box for the Kuzma Airline. Nice packaging, the fit and finish is really first rate. I will be using a cheapy cartridge until my new cartridge shows up. I do not want to wreck the new Dynavector XV-1s.
Does some one know who to contact for the Allerts? I have E-mailed audadv@earthlink.net almost a week ago but no response.
At present I am using a ASR basic phono stage. This is on loan to me by my ASR dealer, Thx Ken. Right now I am in the market for a better phono stage. Looking like crazy, reading everything that I can get my hands/eyes on.
So far the Pass, ASR , Lab 47, Air Tight , Manley, Lamm and Tron seem to be favored by many and really peak my interest. I like having two inputs on the phono stage for the tonearms so that the next arm can be played with a minimum amount of cable changes.
Opinions. |
I will have a ATE-2 air tight with lots of cap/resistor upgrades in the signal and power supply for sale soon. Very fair price.
foxkeith@earthlink.net if interested. |
How much is your upper limit for a phono stage? My suggestion would be Aesthetix Io Sig, but it's expensive. |
I am hearing great things about Shindo preamps which include a built in phono stage. I have never listened to it but a few people I know have been giving their preamps specifically very high compliments. In truth a premap with a built in phono stage will save you money on interconnects and the like. |
Hello,
sorry for my bad english,i hope you understand. I will tell something about the Frankfurt Show 2 month ago.
The setup of this four combinations was for a workshop. The people can hear four different tonearm, cartridge and phonostage combinations. It was not set up for a competition. After hearing 2 songs one classic and one jazz, we have a discussion about this. It was very interesting to hear different fealings from the people. It is true, that most of the people incl. me, prefer the SQ, XV1S, Tron combination. This combination has a very good dynamic with deep bass and structure. Relaxed mid and high range with many details. Sometimes you want to catch the music in the air.
There are so many ways to listen to the music and i think you have to find the right one for you. |
Dear Rugyboogie: J.Allaerts@pandora.be
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul. |
I received the Kuzma Airline and finally had the time to set it up. Everything went smoothly. No hickups what so ever. Playing Lp's for almost 8 hrs and having a blast. Very very good, to my ears anyway. I can hardly wait to start learning the ways of vinyl. I bought a Denon 103 for the short term and it sounds amazing. My Dynavector XV-1s shows up next week and I am really looking forward to this.
Will buy the loricraft cleaner and then decide on the phono stage.
Thanks for the great advice from all of you.
Mike |
Rug: The difference between my set up of the arm and the set up done by Bill Parrish once my TT stand arrived was the difference between excellent and out of this world.
Arm absolutely level and then and only then, balanced.- There is a trick to doing this that goes way beyond simply using a spirit level for the platform. If truly levelled, Bill flicked the arm and it 'bounced' in place, not moving left or right- not recommending that you try that without reading the instructions, but- again, getting an experienced set up guy could make a profound difference in your final
performance.
VTA- differences are not subtle. Is the arm 'zero'd' so you can adjust VTA properly? (I don't usually harp on VTA, but with this arm, small adjustments are not only easy to make, but absolutely critical to its full performance). |
Mike,
A word of advise. The Dynavector needs a long time to break in. Just let it play for at least 100 hours. I would almost say don't listen as you will be dissappointed. After about maybe 200 hours all of a sudden it will just "snap" into place.
Good luck. |
Hi Dgad,
What cartridge did you use w. the Davinci arm?
Well in both TA were mounted the Takeda Miyabi. Used two Klyne Phonopre the DPS TT had the Schroeder DPS ,the new Belt-Drive and the new Power supply.
Regards Karl-Heinz |
Albert- did you get the XL/Airline and have a chance to listen to it yet? |
Whart, it was supposed to ship the 13th, four days ago. The dealer was busy and took longer to get the original boxes and pack it up.
I hope the Kuzma and the new Koetsu Jade Platinum both show up this coming week. Assuming the new Koetsu Jade and my existing Jade are very close in performance, auditioning between it and the Walker should be informative. |
