An electrical engineer on how power cables can impact sound quality


Sharing an fascinating discussion of how the design of power cables can impact sound quality of an audio system from an electrical engineer that does analog design for audio equipment.

The HiFi Podcast with Darren and Duncan / Radio Frequency: The 800MHz Gorilla

The discussion of how power cables can impact sound quality starts at 80 minutes into the podcast

From the Podcast:

"If you have an engineering degree and you’re hearing this and you’re shaking your head and you’re saying this is nonsense, my response to you is that you’re logical. Based on what you have learned, I completely understand your response, but unfortunately, the way that power cables operate is not the way that we were taught in electrical engineering necessarily."

"Power cables were always thought of as series devices. If we add this 2 meter power cable to 2 miles of powerline, why does this 2 meter power cable make a difference?"

An intro into the theory behind why power cables work from the podcast:

"The power cable is not necessarily a series element of a system. The parallel elements [of a power cable] and way they interact with RF in the room in a common mode sense to ground is incredibly important." [Meaning in parallel to ground]

My paraphrase of the rest of the discussion. They get into far more detail: The configuration and materials used in a power cable matter because they affect a cable’s capacitance which in turn changes the cable’s impedance. Most importantly, the change in impedance impacts electrical signal differently across the frequency spectrum.

Two ways to get more details on this:

  1. Listen to the podcast starting at 80 minutes into the podcast. The discussion of how a cable's design impacts its ability to shunt RF to ground starts right there.
  2. Send a question to the hosts of The Hi Fi Podcast. You can find their email on their website.

Credentials of the creators of The Hi Fi Podcast:

Darren:
Darren is the designer of many products for Boulder’s PS Audio brand, most recently known for Stereophile’s choice as the 2020 “Analog Component of the Year,” the PS Audio Stellar Phono preamplifier, and the incredibly well-reviewed new Stellar M1200 tube hybrid mono amplifiers.


With a career as an analog and digital circuit designer spanning two countries and several of the most well-known brands, Darren brings much experience to the table. He earned his EE and worked for both Bowers & Wilkins and Classe Audio before coming to Colorado, and also, before turning 30.

He is the designer of the PS Audio Stellar Phono phono preamp

Duncan:
Duncan has recorded 150+ bands, has published 450+ articles, columns and blogs and is an experienced DIYer when it comes to audio equipment and speakers. He met Darren when working as the Retail Sales Manager of Boulder’s PS Audio, and the two collaborated on an audiophile recording and concert series called “Invisible Audience,” not to mention the weekly hikes in the mountains. He is a mastering engineer, cable designer and musician, avid fly fisherman, bike polo enthusiast, husband and dad in his “free time.”


But what truly gives him a useful perspective for the podcast is his day job as a testing technician for the world’s largest online re-seller of high end audio, The Music Room. Over years in this role, he has listened to and evaluated thousands of the finest products from all over the industry and throughout high end audio’s extensive history.

calvinandhobbes

If I used the MAC would that be with 1/8” to RCAs?
Or over ethernet to the AVR?
(And does it work on an Intel NUC as a Roon server?)

On the MacBook (laptop) the IES goes into a power supply which plugs into the computer as a DC source. SO flip that 180? Or does it need to be into something without the AC—>DC converter?

 

OK, I'm just a tad  confused by your questions.  Please clarify this question

If I used the MAC would that be with 1/8” to RCAs?

Also, which MacBook power supply do you have?  If it is the 85W MagSafe, just try inverting the power supply at the wall.  Listen to it one way and then turn it over and give it a listen...  Report back on any changes you may )or may not) hear.  I'm not sure how power polarity affects the wall wart supplies.  They are very different from the Lite-On supplies in the mini.  My power cable was specific to the Mac mini.

I'm not sure how power polarity affects the wall wart supplies.  They are very different from the Lite-On supplies in the mini.  My power cable was specific to the Mac mini.

Ok I am with you now.
I’ll disregard, as I don’t have the small Mac.

Disregard the cable, I’m retired.

Do try the wall wart connection inversion. You may find one orientation as superior. Let us know how this works out for you.

Above all have fun and this hobby/obsession is all about serving the music in the best manner for maximum enjoyment!

Interesting thing that perhaps nobody has mentioned here is that power calbles have the same type of  effect on overall sound like the ic's and speaker cables from the same line of products of some manufacturer (cardas and nordost for example)

That tells me that certain manufactureres obviously know more about ways to 'manipulate' the sound than ordinary consumers. Also, I believe that nobody is happy that power cables have become the 'thing' to have and to spend money on, if you wish your system to sound at its best.

People who do not hear or do not care about it will certainly save some money but I still I did not hear a system that could not be improved with carefull choosing and matching of (all sort) of cables.

For the ones that do not agree with this, I can only advice them to try two very opposite types (soundwise) of  power cables, (same goes for thirs ic's and speaker wires) Nordost Valhala and Cardas GR ,on the same piece of gear

If you do not hear the difference than, in a way how your system sounds with one or another type of cable brand, than certainly you can claim that there are not difference between sound of different amps and that all digital sounds tha same, as all is just 1s and 0s.

Some manufacturers do provide power cables with their products that are hard to beat with other brands, Burmester is one of them and Krell Evo 302 power came with its 20A powe cord that also I could not 'beat' with some other brands (aldo my search for it was limited, as I thought that it sounded good like it is)

The only thing I still wish to try ia Atmasphere's (whom I admire very much) claim that on truly balanced devices influence of ic's is insignificant, if any. I have owned many other balanced products, but not any of his and I am looking for opportunity to try some of his products, soundwise first, of course but also for that 'curiosity' that I have mentioned