Another turntable


Hello everybody 

I am an analog lover (no CD nor streaming at all). For about 20 years now I have a TW Acustic Raven AC, with 2 SME 3012-R tonearms. One for the stereo and one for the monos. The TW evolved with the battery PSU, and heavy platter form the Black Night, and the 3 motors in a round shape.

I listen mainly classical music and a bit of jazz music. 
I read many threads on forum and TW is never talked about. My TTIs 20 years old now and as I am turning old too, maybe I look for what would be my last TT ( the famous « last one » before being retired with not enough money for climbing the audiophile mountain again.

I have no preferences for any technology as long as it makes good music. I can buy used or vintage (if professionally restored). 
I can go up to 20000 € max. I need the possibility of 2 arms, or one classical and enough room for a Viv Lab.

My little list is 

- Kuzma Red 2 or Stabi M

- Verdier La Platine

-SME 20 or an old 30

- Brinkmann 

-Shoppered TD124 ?

-   What else ?

Thanks for your suggestions. As you understand I live in Europe. How do you quote TW now in regards of these pretenders ? 

senza

A few years ago I was in the same position as you are now. I had a TW Raven GT SE with the AC platter and Black Night battery PSU. This PSU gave me lots of trouble, even after returning it twice to the manufacturer for repair. So I decided to sell it. I know I’ll be at the receiving end of demeaning comments from certain folks here, but I decided to try my luck with an old Micro RX-1500. Even in it’s basic form with aluminum platter the sound was surprisingly good. This made me decide to upgrade the table with stainless steel platter, copper mat, R-15 mass loaded feet and brass outer flywheel ring. I also had the motor drive fully refurbished. There’s plenty of space for up to 4 tonearms. The required gunmetal armboards are fairly easy to find and there are 1 on 1 replicas as well. In this fully dressed up version the RX-1500 runs circles around the TW, no comparison. Very important part of this outcome has been the use the SF-1 Kevlar belt. String drive will be equally good, but don’t use the standard rubber belt.

Of course the Micro can be easily dismissed as ‘old school’ technology, but I haven’t regretted this backward step for a micro second. It has secured itself firmly as my proverbial ‘last table’. And with your budget you can easily stretch to an RX-5000, assuming your rack can handle the weight.

Thanks very much for this answer. I didn’t think these « little » MS were that good. I will investigate further but it seems the majority of these TTs are from Japan or US so have to convert to 230V.

 

The RX-1500 was sold in fairly large numbers in the EU, so 220V versions are not that rare although prices are steadily on the rise. The RX-5000 is much harder to find in EU voltage. Of the really big air bearing models like SX-8000 mk II only a handful 220V versions were apparently imported. If offered at all, your 20k budget won’t be enough.

Another option might be to check www.micro-seiki.nl or www.db-tribute.nl and look for The Tribute. This is a meticulously built one-on-one replica of the RX-5000 that can be sold together with a newly designed motor drive made by Dereneville in a chassis similar to the RY-5500 motor drive. Should be easily possible within your budget. On this site you will also find some of the add-on accessories, like the copper mat and even a replica of the HS-80 flywheel. The guy who runs this business is great to deal with, a real fanatic when it comes to quality and very customer friendly.

unfortunately my Finite Elemente Pagode HD Wallmount can’t handle the total weight of the Tribute, otherwise this would surely have been my ‘last table’.

I would look at Acoustic Signature either a Typhoon or Montana.

The typhoon is about 60-65% there in musicality, dynamics and transparency from a TechDas Air Force one premium which I own, the Montana is around 75%.

I know that all this very subjective, there are many combinations of tonearms, cartridges.

yes the TechDas is an incredible tt, but the typhoon and Montana are really good.

the SME are also great tables but you already mentioned them

Apologies to the OP, I was working with a 2000 euro budget and no the up to          20 000 euro as stated.

If you are not to far from Aachen in Germany, their is a good place local to this city to experience quite a range of TT's at the mid to upper end of your budget.