What I'd like to know is whether a 4 smaller sub DBA has diminishing returns over dual larger higher powered subs when room correction is employedIMO/IME its the other way around. But if you have a DBA, then when you apply the room correction it'll work a lot better!
Are big subwoofers viable for 2 channel music?
In thinking about subwoofers to get for a large future listening space
(30' x 30'). So far there seems to be a lot of great options for smaller
subs for music.. such as the rel s812. Now my main focus will be music
but I do plan to do some home theater on the system and I do enjoy subs
that reach low and have strong but clear sub-bass. Would a large sealed
sub still be able to provide clean tight bass that digs low and thus
satisfy both duties. Can it ever match the speed and precision of a pair
or more of rel 812s? Something like PSA S7201 or Captivator RS2?
A realize a smaller sub has a smaller moving mass and thus for a given level of power would be faster than a bigger sub with a bigger moving mass (driver mass). But a large sub would have to move less to achieve the same SPL and would reach lower.
Anyhow what do you guys think? Thanks.
A realize a smaller sub has a smaller moving mass and thus for a given level of power would be faster than a bigger sub with a bigger moving mass (driver mass). But a large sub would have to move less to achieve the same SPL and would reach lower.
Anyhow what do you guys think? Thanks.
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But if you have a DBA, then when you apply the room correction it'll work a lot better!Yes, all things being equal, the more subs the merrier. I think it’s best that I just accept your claim as fact that room correction/DSP/Dirac have had positive effects on your systems.Tim - I'm using Dirac live on PC. Sound quality improved a good deal with the SOtM txusb-exp card, RUR, and curious cable feeding a Schiit Gungnir. The W4S dac-2 when paired with Dirac was too sharp/forward and when paired with class D amp - unbearable. Now the sound is more tame. Using 244 panels and tritraps from GIK which helped out mostly above 80 hz. I've always been a bit skeptical and suppose somehow the dsp is ruining something. When swapping new amps, speakers and preamps, the unique sonic characteristics of new components have always shown through even after calibration. It's not too unlike the DBA decay effect where certain sonic characteristics do not reside with the initial CW signal. Send a CW signal through a system, and each component imparts it's unique harmonics and noise. Speakers especially retain their flavor from inert to lively cabinets and drivers, both of which will impart higher order harmonics from a CW signal during cal, but it is only the CW signal that is phase and mag corrected at that instance in time. The broadband response to the CW excitation remains and is uncorrected. I'll probably always periodically test feeding the Dirac device and then the dac directly too make sure I'm not leaving something on the table. The P5 so far sounds as you say, neutral, and likely has a better attenuator than the LM508 integrated. Inevitably it is just a stepping stone. Wanted to spend $3000 on a higher quality preamp but figured the P5 with dual subs for similar price would make more of an impact. |
Wanted to revisit this thread. I am getting arguments from the guys on our sonic visions discord about how only bassheads like subs and its like added ketchup to some kind of gourmet food. My question is this: Is it possible for someone who enjoys high fidelity music (someone who enjoys music with good imaging, soundstage, dynamics, microdetails etc.... who is not simply looking to rock out and bob there head aggressively to the music as the ground shakes) to enjoy a system with well integrated subwoofers more than one without them? |
Adding subwoofers is so much more than bass. Adding subwoofers to my system has improved spacing and detail across the audio spectrum. To my ears it makes listening to music more enjoyable and I will never have 2- channel without subwoofers again. The great thing is I don’t know that my subs are on, until I turn them off. |
smodtactical OPFor movie, theater and HT big 15" subs are great. But for 2ch hiend stereo system for music I find smaller faster drivers twin 8" or 10" are more precisely controlled and faster they mate up to your high quality mains better. I use two active subs L & R, with twin servo 8" drivers in each, they are next to my mains, and get fed from the L & R outputs of the preamp, the system sounds like it's just designed as a whole. Cheers George |
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