Are REL the most Musical Subs?


Forgive me if I have created a redundant thread.  I don’t usually post in the Speakers area.

  I have a Paradigm sub in my basement HT that has apparently given up the ghost after about 20 years.  I’m not a huge bass listener.  We used to use the area for movies but lately a different room of the home has taken that over.  I listen to classical music and the system gets used primarily for SACD and Blu Ray.  No desire for multiple subs.  The front speakers are full range, setup is 5.1

  I added a REL sub to my 2 channel system a few years ago, an REL, and have been delighted with the results.  It doesn’t boom at me.  What it does do is add the low level percussion effects that composers such as Mahler, Shostakovich , and modernist composers add to reinforce bass lines.  I never realized, for example, how many gentle tympani and gong effects are in Shostakovich Babi Yar symphony.

The REL integrates all of this naturally without calling attention to itself.  The Paradigm in the basement never did this but it was an older design and more budget friendly.

  So I am inclined to replace the Paradigm with another REL in the basement but was wondering what the current thinking is with subs.  I haven’t paid much attention lately and the stuff that I have pulled discusses multiple subs, Atmos, etc, and doesn’t seem to address my needs.

  Placement will be different as well.  The current sub is placed between the front speakers, and the gear rack is on the other side of the room.  20 years ago I had the energy to bury the cables next to a baseboard heat along the all, after schlepping the sub over the basement testing placement spots,but with advances in DSP I’m now hoping to place the sub next to the rack

mahler123

@mijostyn - I fully agree with your statements on gain structure to get bass outputs at desired levels.  An outboard crossover with gain adjustments is a great piece of equipment to help with any type of subwoofer integration.

Back to the original question as to if REL (and other modern powered subs) are musical.  Back about 33 years ago, I tried to integrate subwoofers into my two-channel system.  I had the outboard crossover and separate power amp setup at my disposal.  I brought home at least 4 non powered subwoofers (all used gear that could be returned) from various local stereo shops.  I tried everything to gain "musical" low end extension and failed miserably at it.  All that was available back then was home theater type subs and all were very tubby and muddy.  Great for explosions on the Backdraft movie soundtrack but did not add anything audiophile like for music playback.  Even the salesmen back then kinda laughed at me as to what I was trying to accomplish.  Fast forward to now and I think these powered cabinets with DSP have come a long way in having the potential to add musical bass to two channel systems without the HT boom.

That said, I think many of these ~$500 - $1,000 subs have compromises due to R&D budget and material cost constraints to meet a price point.  "Fix it with DSP" is the remedy.  For many enthusiasts, that may O.K. and enjoyable.  No harm, no foul.  But, to some discerning ears, one can hear these compromises and to @mijostyn 's point, it may not be worth the effort. 

Is the money better spent on more full range speakers or increasing the budget for the upper-level offerings from these sub manufacturers...?

Well thank you for the input.  I’m leaving town for a few weeks and will be doing something here in a month or so

@mahler123 Hopefully, you're going somewhere fun. 🙂

I don't know what I'd pick for a subwoofer based on the varied responses in this post.  Sounds like you have time to do some more research.  Check out the various suggestions. 

After many months of doing similar research, I came to the conclusion that Rhythmik is the best bang for your buck sub.  Servo controlled.  Super low response into twenties or even the teens depending on room configuration.  I have two F12s in my studio and two LVX12s in my living room.  The F12s are in a 16.5 x 13 x 10 foot ceilings space.  The LVX12s are in the living room which is about 1000 Square feet as it connects to the kitchen and dining area.  

I have not felt the need to upgrade or add additional subs in either location.  They are both set to a reasonable gain and the LVX12s will shake my entire house at probably 60% of their potential output.  Also, they have sounded more "musical" than the RELs I've encountered at the local audio shop.  Which I assume has to do with their super low distortion, ability to handle sub 30 hz content with aplomb, the transient response, and the servo controlled mechanism doing it's duties to control clipping etc.

+1 for rhythmik here - they're like half or less the price of RELs for the same output and distortion from what I see on the charts... but I get that RELs have a reputation and have gorgeous enclosures

 

And like REL subs, many of the Rythmik plate amps provide the ability to be connected to either a low-level source (a pre-amp) or a high-level one (a power amp).