Bass Response on Dunlavy SC-IVa


I purchases a pair of DAL SC-IVa about a month ago and have been trying find the best placement in a less than optimal room. My room is 21ft x 12Ft with cathedral ceiling starting at 8ft in the back to 12 ft in the front where the speakers are set up against the short wall. I know they should be set up against the long wall but the existing HT won't allow this. The speaker are 49" from the rear and 20" from the center of the cone to the side wall. I have carpeting on the floor and ther is a 5ft openning 11 ft from the front wall.

I have experiemented with many placements but just can't seem to get the bass to sound right.

Any suggestions ?

Thanks
mcreight
I have a possible solution, which is worth trying.
Try listening to the room.
Play one speaker, using a low frequency test tone, with the speaker in a 'probable' final,location.
Walk around the room, and find where the 'hot spots' of good bass are. This will give you an idea as to where the potential locations of the listeners chair might be. The key is to extrapolate that in to the 3 diminsional puzzle that setting up an audio system presents.
When setting up a system in a problematic room, I always try to get a 'fix' on the room's sound.
Best
While i can dig up the facts / figures on this speaker, does anybody happen to have the crossover points handy?

I agree with what Tom / Audiotweak is saying in that the woofers are non-symmetrically loading into the room. Since all rooms have various ceiling heights, the results with this type of speaker will vary from installation to installation. Then again, this is true ( to varying extents ) with any design that raises the woofer(s) up above floor level / very bottom of the cabinet. That's because boundary effects are somewhat "set in stone" with a design of this type.

One will also encounter this with woofers that are stacked vertically but somewhat spaced apart from the other. This is especially true if the bottom woofer is already measurably up off of the floor. The larger Vienna Acoustics speakers suffer from this quite noticeably and even the reviewer in Stereophile commented on this. If i remember correctly, he went so far as to say that they were the hardest speakers that he's ever had to deal with in terms of placement.

Having said that, the staggered woofer array can be put to great use, but one would have to fine tune the spacing between the drivers and the crossover points for the individual listening area that the speakers would be used in. By "tuning" the output range of one woofer where the nulls of the other woofer(s) are occuring, the response sums to something that is much flatter overall. This is probably what Dunlavy was trying to accomplish, but without knowing the ceiling height and the distance from the side walls and how far they are pulled out into the room, there is no way to optimize the design.

Having said that, Dunlavy gives pretty specific placement suggestions for these speakers that seems to work quite well, but if you can't follow them, there are other methods that may work for your given installation. Only problem is, this requires a LOT of moving & listening, which large speakers like this aren't exactly easy to work with. Sean
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Try this: Move your listening chair,place a ladder where your chair use to be. Play a constant test tone at about 60hz. Climb the ladder up to ceiling height, make reference of the 60hz tone with either an spl meter or your audio memory. As you come down the ladder at each step make another measurement and record the output, do this until you reach about 2 feet from the floor. Now after you have done this move the ladder, re-install your chair at the original position and take the same measurement at ear level {38to40in.}..At ear level you will have a 6 to 8 db suckout..in contrast to the floor and ceiling measurements.The frequency of the suckout maybe 50 to 80 hz so your reference tone may vary slightly.While doing any of these tests do not touch the volume control. ..You can mitigate some of the phase cancelation by moving your ceiling or by building an acoustic lens attached to the ceiling ..Tom
I agree with Theaudiotweak. But a potentially easier way to mitigate phase cancelation here might be to just lay the IVa's on their sides. But that solution is not without it's own problems. :)
John, Peter Snell had a speaker [Type 1} that had its drivers near the floor level on an angled baffle tilted back with a ramp in front to reduce the floor bounce effect..He also had a U.S.patent on baffle designs to reduce room boundary effects. Truly a designer who thought outside of the box. Had a in home demo of that Type 1 speaker and a sales meeting with Peter Snell...that was probably in 1980 or 81..to bad he is no longer with us.He was truly a innovator. Tom