Can hi-end cables benefit less expensive electronics?


Some time ago, there was a guy on a Polish hi-end forum claiming that in his case it was better to buy some hi-end power chord than investing in a more expensive CD player. Has anybody had an experience where they invested in an expensive cable and felt the investment justified without upgrading the unit utilising the cable? Overall, would there possibly be any point in buying some expensive cable to feed electronics nearly the cost of the cable itself? I'm currently using a KT88 amplifier with a Metronome CD8 (which is also used as DAC) plus Metronome DSS as the streamer (transport only). Speakers: Franco Serblin Accords. In my case, an upgrade in electronics would involve spending at least USD 15,000 to make it sensible. But I can also spend much less and buy a Transparent XL Digital cable to replace my DIY cable that I currently use, at a much smaller expense. Is a high-end digital cable in some cases able to make it a worthwhile investment in a setup which is not top hi-end? I can afford the Transparent XL digital cable, but not necessarily any upgrade to the electronics I own. Has anybody experienced an improvement with an expensive cable even if the rest of the system would rather call for a less expensive one? When I wrote to Transparent about it, they said I should get advice from my dealer. Cable naysayers please do not comment. Also I'm not looking for cheaper alternatives to the Transparent XL. Just fancying buying a cable that many people say is an excellent cable. Of course, I do not expect the same improvement with this cable as with a full DCS Vivaldi setup, but am I likely to get an improvement, considering that the system is balanced and nothing really bothers me in it? Or should I absolutely get a cheaper cable because the more expensive one is bound to make things worse? 

serblinfan

@megabyte …”cables will affect higher end systems less than less well made (cheaper) systems”

Yes that sounds logical, but the reality is generally the opposite. The better (higher resolving, more carefully voiced) the more difference cables make.


@ghdprentice +1.  I’d use the example of putting a $4k set of tires on a Ferrari versus putting them on a Toyota Corolla.  Those tires on the Ferrari will allow it to tap further into its considerable capabilities while they’re more likely to just highlight the Toyota’s limitations. 

I’m not sure I agree that a better power cord is a poor idea for less expensive electronics.

The right cord should - at the very least - lower the noise floor, so you hear less electronic interference when playing music, resulting in a clearer sound. Now, if a "euphonic" sound is what someone wants, that’s fine. After all, it’s your system. But, even with my older NAD integrated, they sounded better with a better power cord.

There’s a caveat here, though. If you are not listening to well-recorded music - which typically is classical and jazz and a few other genres, you won’t get all the benefits. I was listening to my system with a top of the line Shunyata cable, and what I heard first was the improvement in the bass, when I played a disco cut I played in clubs years ago. Having heard this record since 1978, I know how it sounded on earlier iterations of the system. Aside from the bass (on this particular record), I didn’t hear the rest of the sound to improve in any noticeable way. Since it’s a record i doubt they put much effort into recording, I wasn’t expecting much from it. And that’s what I got. Improved bass, but the vocals were no clearer than they were before. This is down to one thing: your choice in music.

I’ve had other CDS or vinyl that sounded better with a better cord (and I used several levels of the company whose power cords I buy: Shunyata), but I know that it’s a hit-or-miss proposition if the music is typical of the way most music is recorded (doubling up the main vocalist’s voice, or 85 microphones used) - things that have nothing to do with music. What IS encouraging is that more recently recorded music seems to be tilting towards better recording, which is always a good thing. 

I can’t imagine a good cord making the musical presentation worse. I CAN imagine hearing the recording as it really is, and then being disappointed because it ’sounded better with a cheap cord.’ But again, the deciding factor there is the music one plays. Electra Records from the 1980s will never sound as if they have any bass, because Electra was famous for ’no bass’ on their records in the ’80s (the ’70s were quite different). Their entire recording process was horrible in that decade: glassy-sounding music with no depth. And a good cord might reveal more of that "this-is-how-it-actually-sounds" effect, but then, that’s the record (and I don’t imagine streaming or CDs will improve the sound quality).

So, a really good power cord will show you what something sounds like - or at least, uncover the poorer recorded aspects of a record, but do you want that? Me, I play all kinds of music and am sometimes surprised by how good a recording I haven’t played in years, sounds. I also find that vinyl reveals this more than CDs (I don’t stream much at all), so it also depends on what your medium of choice is.

That said, a well-engineered power cord will lift the system’s sound quality upwards. I’ve never heard one that makes the system sound worse, unless you count banishing the euphonic effects a bad thing.

It seems to me that a power cord can only benefit an amplifier in 2 ways. It can be thick enough gauge to properly transfer your AC power to the amp. And it can be shielded so other sensitive cables near or touching it aren’t being interfered with. And that’s fine. I fully admit this to be true. The problem I have is, all this can be easily done for $100 or less. Let’s be fancy and say why not go all out and spend $500, maybe $1000 for a truly great one. So what exactly is the $20-$50,000 power cord doing that can’t be done for $500, or even $150? Electricity and wires isn’t super complicated. We’ve just about nailed it at this point. And, this is NOT a cord transmitting perhaps more delicate analog signals that are in the signal path where you could at least think, just maybe the sound can be affected. It’s a simple power cable that’s outside the signal path. It’s doable for $100, they can totally nail it in every possible way for 500, including the same top grade connectors the insanely priced ones use. So explain the $25,000 power cord please.

@gbmcleod

Certainly a very good power cord may improve an inexpensive amp. But, it is unlikely to have the impact because the noise floor of the components is likely to be much higher than a high end component… basically covering up the improvement… same logic with dynamics… etc.

 

@megabyte

The answer is easy to determine. Actually  compare a dozen different power cords on an high end system. Include a two meter Audioquest Hurricane and Dragon as well as a Cardas Clear Beyond and High end Nordost and your question changes to… how do they do that?

@megabyte, @gbmcleod, @ghdprentice 

I have been building cables for over 20 years, on systems ranging from a $350 mini system, a Bluesound Speaker, my own system priced around $20k, and other systems priced over $100k.

Each system performed noticeably better with a better power cable, with improvements in

  • noise floor
  • bass - more detailed and fuller
  • faster dynamics
  • more micro details in the venue acoustics

 

Here's a thread that explains the many facets of good cable design

Regards - Steve