Class D is just Dandy!


I thought it was time we had a pro- Class D thread. There's plenty of threads about comparisons, or detractors of Class D.

That's fine, you don't have to like Class D amps, and if you don't please go participate on one of those threads.

For those of us who are very happy and excited about having musical, capable amps that we can afford to keep on 24/7 and don't require large spaces to put them in, this thread is for you.

Please share your experiences with class D amps!
erik_squires
@cleeds

I’m perfectly OK with you not liking a class of products. That’s not what I’m talking about.

It is the notion that Class D switching speeds are the cause, and that someday they’ll be fixed that irritates me. It’s a type of prejudice not born in evidence. It’s the equivalent of "all feedback is bad" sales pitch for some amplifier designs. It is the boogie-man aspect of this particular line of reasoning that I am against, or that Class D still has anything left to prove to be among the best sounding amplifiers available.

Like what you like. Spend money to make yourself happy. But I'm done with arguments like "Bagostino amps are better because they have no feedback" or "Class D switching noise will never let it be as good as ..."

Those arguments are tired as can be.

Best,

E
erik_squires
It is the notion that Class D switching speeds are the cause, and that someday they'll be fixed that irritates me. It's a type of prejudice not born in evidence.
That sounds more like an opinion than a prejudice to me.

This back-n-forth between class D and class A reminds me of the raging debate in the late 70's / early 80's over V8 engines and the up-and-coming 6s and 4s. Nobody, back then, could have imagined a 6 or lowly 4 producing the horsepower and torque of today's engines. IMO today's class D amps are the 4s and 6s of the audio world. Soon, and very soon, conventional amplifiers will go the way of the 426 hemi; the 427 corba jet; and the big block Chevy. Some will hang on to their Hemi 'Cudas, Gran Torinos, and Malibu Super Sports. And some of us will park our classics and embrace the Focus RS and the like. Regardless of which camp you're in, profits and competition drives innovation. Like it, or not, class D is here to stay. And one day class D will give-way to newer-tech. Personally I'm happy to be in the cusp of changing technology. I too am hanging onto my well-regarded, class A amp...but I'v also embraced class D and am happy. That said, if class D is not your cup 'o tea then so-be-it; being happy is the objective. But for those of you who are curious, take advantage of the plentiful home-trial offers...and ask those of us who gone before you about our experiences.
" It is the notion that Class D switching speeds are the cause, and that someday they'll be fixed that irritates me. It's a type of prejudice not born in evidence. It's the equivalent of "all feedback is bad" sales pitch for some amplifier designs."

Hi Erik,
     'A type of prejudice not born in evidence' is a very accurate and succinct way of describing how some class D detractors have a knee-jerk response, whenever class D is mentioned,  of proclaiming a completely unproven theory that current class D switching frequencies are too low and negatively affect frequencies in the audible range.  
     Nevermind that the current leading expert on class D, UcD and Hypex NCore inventor Bruno Putzeys, has stated the current switching frequencies are not too low.  Nevermind that there is absolutely no scientific evidence supporting the claim that current switching frequencies are too low and cause audible sonic anomalies.  Regardless, there seems to be a small group of class D detractors that still claim that current switching frequencies are too low and negatively affect sonics that they're able to detect.
      I've spent more time contemplating this subject than it likely deserves as well as why there are so many class D amp listeners and owners, just like you and I, who perceive no sonic anomalies at all while an apparently smaller group claims to hear some and dismiss class D technology as a result.
    My current thinking, based on multiple threads discussing the amps and technology over the past 5 years,  is that class D detractors and naysayers are best not considered as a single group but as a collection of smaller groups such as these:

1. Those that have never actually listened to a good D amp in their system but simply parrot other critical comments they've read previously.  This group can typically be identified by their comments being more biased toward whatever amp type they own and use than biased against class D. 
2. Those that acknowledge the strong points of class D but consistently mention the same perceived flaw of switching frequencies being too low  This group can usually be identified by a lack of scientific support and a lack of even an anecdotal description of the claimed flaw's sonic affects.
3.  Those that actually do try out class D amps in their system but claim that 'something is missing from the sound' and decide to just continue using their existing amps.  This group can usually be identified by statements containing sentiments about how they really wanted to like class D but liked the sound of their existing amps better. 
      Their existing amps are often high quality and expensive tube and class A amps that are very large, electrically very inefficient, emit copious amounts of heat into their rooms and color or flavor the inputted signals in some preferred manner.  This group is typically and understandably seeking a more electrically efficient amp that doesn't raise the temperature of their rooms but still performs at a high level.
      The 'something missing in the sound' they have difficulty pinpointing is predictably the coloring and flavoring of the inputted signals that is avoided by design by most good class D amps in favor of a much more neutral approach that emphasises faithfully amplifying inputted signals more attuned to the audio ideal of an amp as 'a straight wire with gain'. I have no issue with this group preferring their more colored amps.
     Of my 3 general groups above, I agree that group#3 is definitely the most frustrating since they offer no scientific evidence of support because none exists, are very vague about the sonic manifestations they theorize exist in the audible band due to the switching frequencies being too low and I'm not aware of a single experienced class D user/owner, including myself, who has ever heard any sonic anomalies that they claim exist.
     I think it's safe to state that any logical person would consider their theory as being thoroughly and completely debunked.
     Just for fun, however, let's assume they're correct and all the thousands (millions?) of very satisfied class D amp owners/users are wrong.  Let's assume these sonic anomalies actually do exist in the audible range due to switching frequencies being too low. 
     If this was actually the case and the truth,  I would expect medical experts, neurologists and hearing care specialists to inevitably classify the ability to hear sonic anomalies in class D amps as an auditory/cerebral affliction, malady or syndrome. Just the fact that the majority of humans are incapable of perceiving these sonic anomalies but a small minority of the population can indicates an allergic reaction to class D by this minority. 
      I agree that individuals in group#3 can be extremely frustrating and annoying. But perhaps we should be more sympathetic to these poor afflicted souls.  Just as being lactose intolerant prevents those afflicted from enjoying a delicious glass of cold milk, being class D intolerant prevents those afflicted from enjoying the delicious sound of a good class D amp.

Love,
 Tim 

IMHO I find class D amps to be less musical then Class A amps. I tried several class D amps and to my ears they lack the midrange, rhythmic
space, texture, air and less involving compared to good Class A amps.Something just seems to be missing musically to my ears. But to each his own. I'm not a audiophile snob I just know what makes my finger snap, head nod and foot tap.

Cheers