Climbing the Preamp ladder


Bat vk-3, Manley Shrimp, and am currently using a Bat vk3-ix. you see I like tubes. what is a good step up? not just different. I use a Rogue stereo 90 tube amp with Aerial 8 speakers. I have a musical fidelity m1 transport and a wadia 121 DAC. I would like to stay under $2500.

thanks for everything in advance.

dpm2340

Sorry I can't help with your specific question and don't mean to start a debate, but have you considered a passive preamp as an option? I'm also seriously considering to upgrade my preamp and been reading up on the pros and cons of passive vs. active and like to hear why folks, particularly the ones who are planning to upgrade, don't consider the passive route more often. Please ignore this post if it's taken as hijacking the OP's question.


P.S. I mean something like FW B1 or similar.

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I would try the Wadia directly into the amp since the dac has volume.  You may be surprised how good it can sound. I ran a PS Audio dac directly into my Stereo 88 and later a Stereo 100 amp with great success. And it doesn't cost anything to try.

One word of caution... Make sure the volume is turned all of the way down before you plug in into the amp.


i have tried running the wadia directly into the amp. not too bad. for some reason i have to stay old school. i have considered conrad johnson but don't know what is good in that line. same with audio research. also the modwright ls100 or its predecessor. the backert labs lesser pre also has me intrigued. thanks for all  your help guys. i know it's a bit of luck finding the combo that works for you. who could upgrade my bat besides bat?
thanks

dpm2340 and kalali, I've tried passives before and always found that they tended to "thin" the sound and lacked power and punch/prat.  Not anymore!  I highly recommend the Tortuga passives.  They come in several flavors ranging from the LDR1 (one single ended input, 2 single ended outputs) to the LDR1B (same, but balanced) up to the LDR3 and LDRxB (3 SE inputs, 3 SE outputs) and LDRxB (same but balanced plus one SE input and output).  Prices range from $995 to $2850.  I'm using an all balanced system with the LDRxB for my main controller in a biamped system.  One output feeds the M/T amps and the other goes to the bass amp first goes through the LDR1B and from there to the bass amps.

These things will change your opinion of passives.  I could get into details, but one great feature is that you can set the input impedance anywhere from 1k to 99kohms (SE) or 2k to 198kohms (balanced).  You can save up to 5 settings and switch between them on the fly.  I've found fine tuning input impedance to be indispensable to get the best sound from your source(s).  It also makes it possible to use two passive controllers in my system by allowing me to find the optimum impedance settings.

One last thing, if you have a balanced system, you can request that the LDRxB include absolute phase control from the remote.  This feature adds no signal degrading circuitry or switches and is also something I would not want to be without, now that I hear how important that feature is.

The control software allows you to recalibrate the LDR's response anytime you want, so LDR drift is a non issue.  Last thing, go for the battery power supply, it's well worth the cost.

Best, Robert