Comparison of sonic qualities of some tonearms

I am going to offer a slightly different perspective here as there have been several mentions of the Safir in this thread. I own a Safir and combine it with a Koetsu Blue Lace, a Koetsu SUT and a CS Port turntable. I have progressed through five different analog combinations over the past 5 or 6 years, ultimately arriving at my current setup. I had previously run an Audio Oragami arm on a Palmer turntable and so the change created by the Safir was truly material. 

I understand the potential for multiple types of bias in evaluating the impact of a new component and unfortunately the audiophile game doesn't lend itself to blind studies and controlled A/B testing (cartridge buying, for example, is often a leap of faith as what dealer will "lend" you a cartridge to try?) We can read reviews and look at the measurements and test data, but in the end it comes down to the actual sound. I recently read a review of some new Dan D'Agostino equipment and Dan was quoted as follows:

"In the end, I'm only interested in how good a component sounds. I'm never going to make something that sounds impolite, buzzes, hums, or only works with a certain speaker. But I do not care about the measurements when I look at my Audio Precision or HP stuff. When it shows me a reasonable output and indicates that it's doing a good job, that's all I care about."

For me, the Safir brought a new level of presence to the music I love (Bill Evans, Art Pepper, Steely Dan, James Taylor, etc) and I heard detail previously lost. And more importantly to me, there was nothing "tiring" in the reproduction and so I can listen for hours and enjoy. And when I then moved to the CS Port and added the new Koetsu pieces, I again heard and experienced a similar improvement. 

I will leave it to others to debate that on paper (or in specs) there are "better" choices, because in the end it really should come down to how the music sounds. 

@thr1961

Thanks for sharing your experience with your tonearms.

@whart

The purpose of this thread isn’t necessarily to improve my system. Given my limited experience, I found it rather odd that no one really commented on tonearms, as I’ve found that they can make a sizeable difference in music reproduction. I really just wanted to hear about others’ experiences with their tonearms, but it seems like very few have taken the time to investigate and experience on their own.

Dear @thr1961  : As you said a bnew audio item in our system changes the " picture ", we are prepared and expected that that can happens.

You own a very nice system and the problem with the Safir it's not if you like it or not ( as we said we are prepared for that . We are prepared for the new kind of " distortions/colorations " that we can't avoid. ) the real issue is those dynamic mass 60grs. under play for the cartridge it self and for the cartridge tracking due that the Safir in reality is an unipivoted design and no matters what from there comes unstability/chatering and the like that develops what we like on it but that tonearm sooner or latter will damages your Blue Lace with that " insane " EM and if you are prepared for that then go a head. At the end you already paid for it and is what you like.

I read about the Safir in other audio forums and read magasine reviews and only in this Agon forum we put the finger where it " painful ".

R.

Dear @chowkwan  : " sweeping generalizations like stay away from wooden or tangential arms. "

Well I have a lot of fgirsthand experiences with " wooden ": I owned the Koetsu Rosewood, Rosewood Signature, Rosewood Signature Platinum, Goldbug Brier, Benz Micro Ruby/Ruby 2/Ruby 3/ Cardas Heart/ LP/LPS and tonearms as the Reed/Grace/ and several headshells even  I listened many times the Teres Cocobolo that I see you not own but other kind of TTs.

About LT tonearms I owned the ET2, Denessen, Southern and listenes to other ones and even with all what @whart pointed out the mid and low bass range ( everything the same ) in the pívoted tonearms is better. Yes, LT tonearms has its own advantages. I sold my LT tonearms when I learned that MUSIC belongs ( not to the mid-range ) to the bass range and is better this FR as better not only the mid range frequency but your room/system quality performance levels.

I already said wooden/LT never again but this is me and to each his own.

Btw, I really like your ET panels and that JBL oldie I listened several times in those years and it was an unforgetable experience as the Altec of those times too.

R.

Dear @drbond  " That's all we need, but apparently almost no one (except probably dealers) does this to any degree to offer real insightful comparison of various tonearms.  "

That is at least the third time you posted the same where obviously you could trust more on dealers about that audiophiles that not only in this thread but in Agon know a lot more and deep aBOUT AUDIO SUBJECTS THAT ANY AUDIO DEALER  OUT THERE THAT AS REVIEWERS ARE BIASED THROUGH MANUFACTURERS.

Sorry for the majors, my finger.

As you said and showed through your thread you are and still are a newcomer to analog and even wirth all what other gentlemans already posted here you still do not understand why what you ask for it's not possible that you get in any forum or with any dealer and as @lewm  pointed out you can't do it in your system in 2 days.

I already posted to you ( I think you dislike it even that was trying to help you. ) that you need to learn for your self and that you need not only months to do it but maybe years and have to learn listen it too other systems than yours and you have to have a very clear REFERENCE to make any comparison along your targets MUSIC/sound priorities. Nothing came/comes at random and what you are looking for you can't buy it but money can accelerates the whole proccess.

R.