Dedicated 20 amp circuit - Electrician laughed!


I brought my electrician out to my house today to show him where I would like to install a dedicated 20a circuit for my system.  He laughed and said that's the stupidest thing he's heard and laughs when people talk about it.  It said, if you're going to do it, you have to have it separately grounded (shoving a new 8 foot rod into the ground) but even then, he sees no way there can be an audible improvement.

Now, he's not just an electrician though. He rebuilds tube amps on the side and tears apart amps and such all the time so he's quite well versed in audio electronics and how they operate.

He basically said anyone who thinks they hear a difference is fooling themselves.  

Personally, I'm still not sure, I'm no engineer, my room's not perfect, and I can't spend hours on end critical listening...  But, he does kinda pull me farther to the "snake oil" side and the "suggestive hearing" side (aka, you hear an improvement because you want to hear it).

I'm not taking a side here but I thought it was interesting how definitive he was that this not only WILL not make a difference but ALMOST CANNOT make a difference. 
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Tell your electrician to come here for explanation.

Remind him that guitar amplifier sound is NOT what hi-fi amplifiers are desperately trying to reproduce. If you listen to piano concertos, that is.
Sparky is wrong. Just get an Rf detector and listen to all the stuff coming through your a/c line. I have a dedicated 20 amp line with an audioquest Edison 20 amp outlet and a furman power conditioner. Anyone who comes over and listens to my system can’t believe the amount of detail they can hear. I tell them there’s no noise in the system. I’m a firm believer in eliminating as much noise from your system as possible. Let the music come through. Get another sparky. 
Unless you have 2 c.b. panels , your only supposed to have 1 earth ground rod per panel. The possibility of voltage differential could get a person hurt , or homeowner sued.
Who has tried the Environmental Potentials EP-2050
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1. How did you come to be attracted to the audio world?

Parents enjoyed music. Experimented in his youth by building his own diy gear.

1st pair of speakers were of cardboard enclosures.

 RJ-At UC Davis, had a circle of friends with far higher quality equipment than his. This got the ball rolling. Roomed with 3 other guys and they were able to combine all sets to play as one.


2. What do you see as Audio's biggest achievement in the past 40 years?

Overall he felt it had to be the introduction of the CD.


3. Where do you believe the biggest need exists for improvement in the HiFi world?i.e. Recommend a goal that would most please you.

Not able to answer. He did state that he is pleased with the trend by speaker manufacturers toward building more efficient speakers.


4. How would you describe why listening to music is important in your life?
    Not asked


5. Tell us about the "Best System you ever heard"?

     Could not answer. (Sworn to secrecy by the Royal Family)?


6. When you had built a new product to be included in your company's line,did you make all the voicing decisions or was it done more by committee?

   He relied on others mostly. Former partner now deceased, Joe Sammut had a great ear

   and taught listening skills to other employees. They employ about 7 matched speakers

   in different locations so comparisons on any new products are accurate.


6. A. Can you recall the funniest incident situation you have been a part of in this business?

   Not asked although he did relate other funny tidbits


7. Who in this industry do you most admire, living or not?

   Not inclined to answer this one as well. Practical fellow he is.


8. What accomplishment are you most proud of in the audio industry?

  Matching components to their best use.


9. What do you think is this industry's biggest "Dirty Little Secret"?i.e. What bothers you about the practice , direction or ? of the industry?

   Not asked


10. What do you perceive as the greatest challenge facing the audio world today?
  RJ- He did discuss the trend toward higher efficiency in speakers which, in turn, makes building better amps easier (lower power easier than higher power). Along with that, he talked about lower power amps requiring less/fewer feedback loops, which reinforces his tendency toward simplicity in design.


11. Have you spent any time studying the human ear and its functionality in order to assist   you in your audio work?

  Yes he has. Read Dr. Diana Deutch - primarily known for the illusions of music and speech that  she discovered.  Knows Dr. Steven Dear. Studied relationship between hearing and perception.


12. Talk about the passion you must have to be successful in your field?

  Not asked but touched on in other responses


13. How did your past life experiences prepare you for your current endeavors?

  Not asked


14. What will be the next product you plan to release?

  Asked. Response was a smiling nod toward the opposite end of his desk where a pile of gear lie.    Not sharing at this time. He did explain that some recent successes from First Watt are being incorporated into the Pass line.


15. Have you ever pursued inquiries with the defense department to see what new technologies they may have developed which bear on the Audio world?

  Not asked


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From Keith McDonald

1. What are the advantages/disadvantages of the McIntosh “autofomer”? (This circuit supposedly maintains uniform power output into different loads, rather than changing with the load.) Do Pass designs incorporate such a feature, and why or why not?

A challenge to recall with any precision but I recall Nelson saying that when McIntosh changed from tubes to transistors the autoformers were required to make transistor sound more acceptable. They are a circuit that provides consistent power into 4-, 8- and 16 ohm loads,

but it had its own sonic signature.


 From Peter Eichen  
1. How has your philosophy changed over the years with respect to power amp design/circuit design/parts section?  

Per his philosophy, circuit improvements have the biggest effects so that's primarily what he experiments with to improve the amps sound.


We also asked about the XA25 and the INT25 successes and why he felt it was so. He said simplified topography was part of it. I was surprised to learn that these are not his largest

selling items. That honor goes the First Watt SIT3. Soon to be out of production as Nelson's unobtainiam supply of special parts is about used up for this product. Also one of his parts suppliers had the nerve to close its doors. So the SIT3 may be one to add to your collection

if you are so inclined.


Mr. Pass shared a funny joke too. I was too busy reading ahead to recall it though.

A drunk lost his keys...

RJ-The joke was also an anecdote. It goes something like this... “a cop found a drunk stumbling under around under a streetlight and looking at the ground. The cop asked the drunk what he was doing. “Looking for my keys” the drunk replied. “Where do you think they are?” the cop asked. “Oh, they’re up the street, but the light is better here”. The analogy for Nelson is the streetlight is our know tests and measurements and the keys are the reasons we hear what we do. At least, that’s how I interpreted it.


Nelson Pass was very kind and generous to share his evening with us.

Thank you so much on behalf of the Arizona Audio/Video Club.

Stay well.


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Millercarbon basically hit all the highlights so I’ll say little:

  1. It makes a small but meaningful difference
  2. Must be a home run
  3. Most likely reason/benefit is minimizing connections along the way, and interference from other devices on the same circuit
  4. Next thing to do is put a good noise filter (not necessarily a surge suppressor - that has a different function) on the line. An Iso-tansformer is even better.
  5. Also put a filter between noisy digital components and everything else
  6. The ground is a great idea. Its actually next on my hit list. In the mean time if everything is uniformly grounded to the same spot, and in the proper phase, even a noisy ground will have minimal impact because **everything will float with the same noise** This makes the differential noise close to zero. Ground differentials and loops are the worst.


All this is, in true high end terms, pretty cheap.

It all actually makes engineering sense, although it may be a small difference to most. he has lots of experience, but is likely not an EE. I am. Hell my electrician didn’t **really** know how dimmers worked. He just knew how to install them and the glitches. I explained.

I’d do it. Oh wait, I did.
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