Discerning a difference between streamers is difficult...only me or common for all?


I have struggled to appreciate the upgrade to the streamer in my system. A couple years ago I had an Audio Research DAC 8 being fed by a Bluesound Node 2i. I picked up an Aurender N10 and did not appreciate anything so sold the N10. I tried a couple all-in-one units. First was the Aurender A20 and I was happy but curious about dCS. I got a Bartok 2.0 and felt the music was more natural sounding from the Bartok and sold the A20. I have always wanted the Audio Research DAC 9 to match all my other AR gear so got one that showed up on eBay a couple weeks ago. Since I couldn’t use the Bartok to stream I ordered a new Bluesound Node Nano so I could utilize the DAC 9 immediately. The pair sounded wonderful but I did not compare it to the Bartok. I ended up getting a quick buyer and it was already gone. The following week I purchase an Aurender W20. I was prepared to have my mind blown....but no. Some albums I could not tell any difference in the sound and others I think the W20 sounded slightly better but again...nothing huge. For the money and the space the W20 took on my shelf, I sold it. Over the years I always appreciate upgrades for all other components. This makes me feel like I am losing my mind. Have any others experienced this regarding streamers? I want to try more. Auralic and Lumin are on my list.

Thanks,

Dana

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@sls883 I have never been good at describing music- but will try. The WiiM was much clearer, the Hegel was depressed. The WiiM sounded fuller, kind of blooming (not booming).

I forgot to mention earlier- the Hegel of course was hard wired via Ethernet. The WiiM was on WiFi. Ideally the latter should have degraded the performance as compared to an Ethernet connected device but I guess it didn’t. I didn’t even think about this till now.

My overall view of A/B comparisons is a few years when we used to buy TVs and the choice in the showroom was between LCD and Plasma. At that moment LCD would outshine the plasma TV- but if you got the plasma home, which I did, it looked great. I know I might get dissed for saying this - for sure some components provide phenomenal differences but eventually I think what matters is what makes you happy. I have an Eversolo streamer, a WiiM Mini and a WiiM Pro Plus. Am happy. Have always debated about getting an Aurender or a Lumin or something else but eventually decide against it - because the difference for me will be in the first few minutes and then everything sounds the same - to me. Apologies for long post.

@dxbwineguy  Thank you for the description  I'm terrible about describing the sound of my system.  I'm often inclined to say "it just sounds right", but that's not a very good description.

I have an Innuos streamer that I like.  SQ is excellent and it has a large buffer, so music doesn't stop if my internet drops (which it seems to do quite often).  It also has a cd ripper which I do use.  And the Sense app is excellent.  I did notice an improvement in SQ over my Node 130, but I didn't spend serious time doing a comparison.  I'm happy with the Innuos for it's SQ and features. 

+! @akg_ca, It really is a matter of what is good enough and to what lengths one is willing to go to get there.  There is a BIG difference in everything, and everything matters.  No one can tell another what is good enough or what is worth it.  That is the beauty of our Audiophile world..excellence is obtainable, yet there are levels of satisfaction for everyone.

You are not alone.  I used a Node with an upgraded LPS, a good USB cable going to a Pontus ll for years. The switch to a N200 was a definite improvement, but not anything earth shattering. Someday I might get a different DAC, but I’m really in no hurry.

I'm using an ASUS gaming computer running Windows 7 and Qobuz for streaming. It's going into a Berkeley Alpha USB which is connected to a Berkeley Reference MK II DAC. I also have a Jay's Audio CD3 Mk III transport hooked up to the same DAC.

I have compared streamed files from Qobuz to the corresponding CD at least a dozen times (being careful they are the same version) and I can't hear a difference. If the computer is adding noise or some other kind of distortion to the music I can't hear it. I am skeptical that a streamed file would sound better than the corresponding CD played though a state of the art transport into the same DAC. If they sound the same I think that's about as good as it's going to get.

If someone has a streamer and a CD transport I suggest using the CD as a control. When you just disconnect one streamer and hook up another one it's very difficult to accurately compare them. When you use a control, such as a CD, you can remove some of the possible expectation bias that we all have.