Discuss The Viv Lab Rigid Arm

Furthermore, I would venture to guess that neither Raul nor Mijostyn is actually making measurements of his audio gear and the signal that comes out of them. They are most likely going by data supplied by manufacturers and their own considerable funds of knowledge about electronics and distortion. But history is replete with instances where measurements lie. In the early days of solid-state amplification, we had amplifiers that measured harmonic distortion in the order of .000001%.

FWIW, times have changed and for the better. We can now measure the differences we hear between components- if the knowledge is there to know what to look for and how to do the measurements. IOW if the measurements are done properly they don't lie.

Time hasn't changed human nature though.

Drawing the line between what we hear and what we can now measure is likely to draw ire from both the subjective and objective camps. The very idea! But if you want to get down to knowing what's really going on, that's what has to be done. The acrimony between the two camps has to end.

"IOW if the measurements are done properly they don't lie."  What is in dispute even among objectivists (and I don't like the word because it ignores that we are left to make subjective judgements even when we have objective data) is the definition of "properly", and who says that measurement X (or Y or Z) correlates with the sound of live music in a real space? Best we can hope for is a kind of consensus that evolves over time.

@rauliruegas I note you said I have a closed mind and am stupid. I am the very antithesis of a closed mind, that is why I am prepared to try things that break the normal convention, which appears to be the very opposite of yourself and @mijostyn, who are stuck in the world of dogma, theory etc. And as for being stupid, anybody that knows me would never call me that.

When it comes to closed minds I think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

As I said in an earlier post you and @mijostyn are 'The Handmaid's Tale ' of the audio world.

Ralph says above, "Drawing the line between what we hear and what we can now measure is likely to draw ire from both the subjective and objective camps. The very idea! But if you want to get down to knowing what's really going on, that's what has to be done. The acrimony between the two camps has to end."

I'm with @atmasphere on this one. I'd have been fine with sharing some thoughts on this if the conversation had maintained civility.

@mijostyn 

A tonearm has to be held rigidly in all but two directions rotation vertically and rotation horizontally.

How does the Schröder Reference and anyone who is a fan of it fit into this world view?

dave