Do we believe in Machina Dynamics?

Wow, as many times as it may have been used on this forum in the past, the term "beat to death" is a gross understatement regarding this topic and the endlessly circular nature of the related posts... tune in tomorrow to see who had..."The Last Word" in syndication here at Audiogon...

For those attacking: The constant chat fuss would seem only to serve continued interest and "buzz" in the very products you think are junk. Ignoring products that _depend_ on internet buzz and cotroversy to sell would seem a more effective tack. My guess is that B&M, HT and custom-install sales of these products aren't exactly booming. Ever wonder why thread after thread on the topic keeps appearing on a site that is likely the sole generator of sales for those products? I know what Arsenio would say... :-)

Norm, getting into endless ad-homien exchanges does not serve anyones interests in the long run. It's not like your point becomes more clear after 50 posts and arguments than it was after your initial posted opinion. This looks just like the H-Cat thread where well enough couldn't be left alone. Lots of time and band-width wasted restating the same thing and arguing with anything that didn't move in your direction. Looks a little missionary-like to the uninformed.

It looks like everybody made their point like thrty posts ago. I've seen more insightful and entertaining scrums over leggos at the local daycare.

back to your regularly scheduled ephitets... 80)

Samuel, a long time ago I agreed with several who emailed me that I should just stop posting on another thread. I have tried, but unsuccessfully. I guess it is because those who I respond to claim to be representative of science and I think they pretend to be only. Even Geoff does enter into this exchange, although it is not just his tweaks that motivate my postings. The end.

The subject was do we believe in Machina Dynamics and I put in my two penny worth about I think it is crap.
But it seems that this has gotten to be slaging matches between a few members sometimes with posts that do not even reference the original subject just “he's an ass” or “he's an idiot”.

The original subject was and always will be a magnet for heated discussion between the enlightened few and people not from California.

I would like to suggest that we kept this discussion civil and factual, keeping open minds as to the improvements a plastic duplex cover or a telephone call can make.

That said I think MD is crap and you have to be a total idiot with more money than sense to buy this garbage.
(Or live in California)

That said I think MD is crap and you have to be a total idiot with more money than sense to buy this garbage.
(Or live in California)

Boy, if that doesn’t offend several thousand people I don't know what will.

I have never lived in California but I am friends with a lot of audiophiles and audio designers that live there.

There is an unbelievable amount of talent there, Steve McCormack, Jim White (Aesthetix) and so many others the list would be too long to post.

For a long time now the only interesting thing about this and related threads has been to observe how they can bring out some of our most regrettable tendencies as human beings, and how the fundamental debate between believers and skeptics within a trivial arena like audio gear mirrors that of real life.

The 'rationalists' on this thread (and I count myself among them -- not that I necessarily agree with everything they've written here, but I do share their judgement concerning MD, their products, and Mr. Kait), by their own lights, should certainly acknowledge the eternal truth that belief cannot be 'argued out' of people or the world. Trying to use persuasive discourse, or mere put-downs, to convince satisfied MD users of the 'error' of their ways is as pointless -- and wrong -- as an atheist (like me) trying to use 'science' to convince a believer of the non-existence of God. As we should all know, science *cannot* disprove the existence of a diety. And that's a scientific fact.

For the guys who refuse to let this tiresome and futile shouting match die an overdue death, you might want to pause a moment to consider what continuing this appears to say about how much else more worthwhile in life you have going on...(hint: YOU CAN'T "WIN"!)