Effects of concrete as base for subs, speakers and potentially equipment


Hello, 

 

I am looking for any advice and experience from those that have used concrete as stands, racks, isolation. I have a friend who makes functional art pieces from concrete, coloured and designed to your liking and I was thinking of having some pieces made up for my equipment. I currently have everything on wood, but would like something more pleasing on the eye. My room is well dampened with wood floors. I am after any experience that you might have experimenting with concrete.

subwoofer on concrete slab. Currently have a T9x with a downward throwing passive radiator on a suspended wooden floor.  It needs removing from the floor and I was looking at concrete slabs. 
 

speakers on concrete slabs. Zu union 6 supreme again on suspension floor. They have isolation feet but they could do with lifting higher. I am considering using concrete for this. 
 

finally the equipment. Amp, dac, streamer. Currently on a cheap wooden cupboard with chopping boards underneath. Any experience of electronics on concrete. 

mpoll1

Thanks @erik_squires i have loaded weight on top, but the hollow under the floor is pretty significant. I have it on a wooden platform now and that helped a lot. 
 

This is as much as playing with form as it is function. I won’t keep anything that makes it worse- I would however like to avoid any pitfalls. I don’t want to get anything made up for me that is immediately wasted. If it works I am considering some much larger blocks for the electronics. 

Bare concrete is porous and can result in “flabby” bass response. Expoxy coated concrete works much better. I’ve used both with 3 way floor standers. Good shelves/footers also help tighten up the bass. Jeff

If your friend is good with shapes, insets, etc. you have a few interesting options:

  • Concrete Mixture - Check with your friend whether he thinks that adding polystyrene balls (sometimes added for a lower unit weight) would help with damping and maybe reduce any ringing.  You can also consider adding a color conditioning admixture to achieve a certain look.
  • Mass Loading - You have the option of adding threaded embeds (or through-holes) so you could rigidly attach your speakers directly to the concrete bases, which would be a form of mass-loading similar to the effect of using Sound Anchor bases.
  • Stability - If the speakers were attached to the bases, not only would the added weight and lower center of gravity improve stability but you could further improve stability by extending the bases out beyond the speaker's footprint.
  • System Damping - With the speakers attached to the bases as described above you could then use decoupling type footers beneath the concrete base for optimum performance on a suspended wooden floor.  Individual springs or Townshend pods would be an interesting choice and if your friend could make insets in the bottom you could have the effect with only a small portion of the spring being visible.  Another option that I like is to use platinum silicone elastic footers, which basically operate as (elastomer) springs but are much easier to set up.  I have these under my 150 pound subs and these under my 180 pound monitors and stands.  They come in a range of sizes and support capacities so you can use them for virtually any size speaker or component.
  • Base Only - The easiest (and least interesting) option would be to simply set the bases on your floor and set the speakers on the bases using the speaker footers of your choice.  You may want to use one of Herbie's options (like Giant Fat Dots) between the bases and the floor or interestingly you could use a sheet of something like Owens Corning Acoustic Board between the concrete mass and the floor.  It comes in one or two-inch thicknesses.  BTW, I believe the well-regarded AV RoomService EVP damping supports may be made from Owens Corning 703 (for the medium) and 705 (for the hard), either of which could also be considered beneath your concrete bases (you could cut the boards the same size as the bases and paint the edges of the yellow fiberglass material as desired), or you could simply buy some EVPs.
  • Equipment rack or slabs.  No reason not to use concrete bases under equipment or use concrete somehow as an equipment rack.  I would probably decouple components from the concrete using one of the methods described above.

Good luck - post some pictures.