Ethernet opinions

Hello everyone, I finally got my system setup. I had a few setbacks the past few months. My mom had lung cancer and passed away a month ago. It has been a journey getting my system set up which is part of the fun. I am running Pass Labs XP-12, pass 250.8, and Bricasti M3. My original plan was to run the Bricasti with a EERO mesh network since the modem is on the opposite end of the listening space. Needless to say the EERO mesh would not work and Roon could not see my M3. I was on the phone with Bricasti trouble shooting the issue. I removed my M3 from the system and double checked everything with it hard wired to the modem which worked. I was told I could really use any Ethernet for the most part as long as it’s cat 5 or 6. Well, I returned the EERO and got a 25 foot Ethernet cable from Best Buy for 10 dollars. The sound is much better then I was guessing running a 10 dollar cable, for me it’s deff a temp fix. Especially since I bought two audio quest vodka cables. I am using one of them now connecting the room nucleus to the modem at the moment. I have read a bit about blue Jean cables which seem to hold spec. I don’t see me buying a longer Audio quest vodka cable given the cost. In some ways I feel like I spent more then I should have on the Vodka cables at this point. Opinions please ?



@ghasley bam! Name calling, as predicted! 

Do you think Naim is serious equipment? What about Roon? Hifi Rose? You have not published your system so I can’t give you a link to your streamer of choice.


@cleeds that is how the Qobuz and Tidal work, through song download ...

Yes, you may choose to download tracks from Tidal and Qobuz. Many people choose to do that. Personally, I use Qobuz for streaming. Yes, that involves a cache but a cache is not a download any more than a stream is a download. Downloads cost $$$, so I don’t do it often.

The computer I’m working on now is a desktop running Windows 11 and actually has multiple caches. It’s how computers work, but that doesn’t mean it’s downloading.

Qobuzz and tidal “stream” the audio file to your player if you do not have a local copy.

some streamers do NOT provide any local storage, so you never get the cached track: it is going to stream the track every time.

If playing through a phone, a pad or a pc, or your streamer has storage to allocate, (or a nas to use) the apps will use local storage to cache your previously streamed, and saved/cached, track.

So qobuzz and tidal APPS CAN save a local copy IF there is storage they can use.  Otherwise you are strictly streaming.

There is some level of error recovery that can allow the track to play with some errors.  Too many errors and the track buffers or even just stops and tries to restart the stream.

I live with this everyday.. at least I will until I find time to fix my nas and assign a connection to it in the innuos pulse mini… then see if it will use that to cache anyway.  Otherwise, it will be  downloads and then point innuos to the nas to play downloaded tracks.

Though, I have to try attaching a usb drive to the pulse mini.. that might solve my local caching problem.

By the way, I had ethernet from router to pulse then short usb to dac.

Had a really high frequency hissing present.  I got my fibre media connectors yesterday and replaced the ethernet from router to pulse mini with an optical run. Convert ethernet to fibre->fibre to media converter to ethernet->short, shielded ethernet to pulse.  High frequency hissing went away.

So yes, ethernet to fibre and back does “clean up” noise.



You have not published your system so I can’t give you a link to your streamer of choice.

Fred, since you asked I use Grimm MU1 streamer-server/DCS Apex dac/Audio Note Jinro amp/Devore speaker setup at home. I have a Roon Nucleus+/Hifi Rose 150b/Sugden IA4 amp/Devore speaker setup at the office for background music.


Frederic, why do you even frequent Audiogon? You claim there is absolutely no difference between digital cables and yet most who experience the difference, good and bad, take your insistence and inflexibility as a clear mark of ignorance. Your repeated insistence only cements those opinions. 


@ghasley  there you go. Roon download per already posted link above. Hifi rose says in their support that you cannot turn off cache for Qobuz.

it invalidates the entire argument that cables or switches can make a difference. That is why it matters. If it isn’t a stream, how can a cable make a continuous improvement. Answer, it can’t.