Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?


I think we have.  I have seen many discussion on audio forums and how nasty they can become when you have people disagreeing. Seems like there are a lot more know it alls now. I been in 20 years and I can still learn.  But I also know I know quite a bit. Like cables can enhance the sound and higher end well designed gear can truly be ear candy special.  Is this just on audio forums or the internet period. 

calvinj

“I understood by your own post claims that you are an expert in cable transparency”

That is *your* misunderstanding. It does not take any kind of expertise to understand cable transparency.

”and an advocate of blind tests as the main solution to all subjectivist audiophiles superstitions ... No ?”

 

I am an advocate of blind protocols in any testing for differences or preferences. Has nothing to do with subjectivism vs objectivism. Terms which are mostly misused to identify with audiophiles that accept science in audio vs those who reject it. But even more so than that I am an advocate of time synchronized quick switching comparisons. Both are vital for getting reliable results. How other audiophiles choose to do their comparisons is on them. 

“Ah yes, indeed....Scott’s got Chat GPT and some AI support these days at his fingertips...”

Are you really so bedazzled by a very basic understanding of wave interaction that you would think it is so unreachable that my comments which were right off the top of my head would require Chat GPT or some AI to access? Ok….. that really is a low bar. That’s hilarious.

Right on cue, the self appointed audio experts appear and start arguing.  Told you so.

You are completely wrong here...

The two side subjectivist and objectivist are not divided between scientists on one side and superstitious dudes on the other side ...😁

This division exist because some people trust first and often more their own hearing habits and personal histories in listening to create their own audio system than only measured specs ...

The other side trust mostly if not only and completely the electrical measures specs of the pieces of gear over their own ears to create their own audio system ...They ask for double blind test precisely for this reason about any perceived change for any claims about sound qualities ...

The fact that you mischaracterized the real distinctions between the two groups by reducing one side to supertitious or self deception and the other side to be scientific , reveal your own partiality and misunderstanding ..

i myself identify with no side... the two sides may be beside the main acoustics points and matter for different reasons pertaining to their own divergent biases...

I trust my ears but i learned that we can trust it only by acoustics experiments ...then i am neither a subjectivist nor an objectivist...

But it is more wise to trust his common sense and ears when buying something than only confide in measured specs after blind test ...

Nobody is against blind test but this is an impractical way to design an audio system in his acoustic environment by the way ...

but it is useful if our mission in life is to mock and debunk an owner of a costly cable for sure ... 😊

Then you speak as an ideologue or a propagandist... Common sense is my preference ...And psycho-acoustics where subjectivity and objectivity are correlated and studied as not separable...

I am an advocate of blind protocols in any testing for differences or preferences. Has nothing to do with subjectivism vs objectivism. Terms which are mostly misused to identify with audiophiles that accept science in audio vs those who reject it. But even more so than that I am an advocate of time synchronized quick switching comparisons. Both are vital for getting reliable results. How other audiophiles choose to do their comparisons is on them.

It’s true 90% of what gets posted here is opinion and everybody has one.

That’s pretty much the case with high end audio in general. Some opinions carry more weight than others and people may battle along the way to wear the crown of hifi know-it-all..

That’s perfectly OK if done civilly. Opinions from credible sources can be valuable if one does all their homework properly.

But behaving like a yahoo in order to win some silly hifi argument is simply petty in my eyes. With all the problems in the world, people want to fight about their luxurious hifis? Please, give everyone a break!

For those who value concrete facts, other sites that focus more on actually measuring the performance of gear will add a lot of value. If that matters to you, you might even save quite a bit of money and time along the way.