Hear my Cartridges....🎶


Many Forums have a 'Show your Turntables' Thread or 'Show your Cartridges' Thread but that's just 'eye-candy'.... These days, it's possible to see and HEAR your turntables/arms and cartridges via YouTube videos.
Peter Breuninger does it on his AV Showrooms Site and Michael Fremer does it with high-res digital files made from his analogue front ends.
Now Fremer claims that the 'sound' on his high-res digital files captures the complex, ephemeral nuances and differences that he hears directly from the analogue equipment in his room.
That may well be....when he plays it through the rest of his high-end setup 😎
But when I play his files through my humble iMac speakers or even worse.....my iPad speakers.....they sound no more convincing than the YouTube videos produced by Breuninger.
Of course YouTube videos struggle to capture 'soundstage' (side to side and front to back) and obviously can't reproduce the effects of the lowest octaves out of subwoofers.....but.....they can sometimes give a reasonably accurate IMPRESSION of the overall sound of a system.

With that in mind.....see if any of you can distinguish the differences between some of my vintage (and modern) cartridges.
VICTOR X1
This cartridge is the pinnacle of the Victor MM designs and has a Shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever. Almost impossible to find these days with its original Victor stylus assembly but if you are lucky enough to do so.....be prepared to pay over US$1000.....🤪
VICTOR 4MD-X1
This cartridge is down the ladder from the X1 but still has a Shibata stylus (don't know if the cantilever is beryllium?)
This cartridge was designed for 4-Channel reproduction and so has a wide frequency response 10Hz-60KHz.
Easier to find than the X1 but a lot cheaper (I got this one for US$130).
AUDIO TECHNICA AT ML180 OCC
Top of the line MM cartridge from Audio Technica with Microline Stylus on Gold-Plated Boron Tube cantilever.
Expensive if you can find one....think US$1000.

I will be interested if people can hear any differences in these three vintage MM cartridges....
Then I might post some vintage MMs against vintage and MODERN LOMC cartridges.....🤗
128x128halcro
It was April 27th 1979 when Bob Marley and the Wailers stepped on stage at the Horden Pavilion in Sydney.
Together with 2000 other rabid fans...my wife and I sat (and stood) through the greatest concert of our lives up till then....and it has remained so up till now 👏
After 41 years and hundreds of live concerts......NOTHING has come close to the performance, sound, electricity and perfection of that singular experience.
To this day, I can still recall every note, every vibration, every flapping of my stomach-lining and the memory of repeating to myself...."I can't believe this"....🤯
Just as I can still recall every mouthful of the famed bouillabaisse we tasted in 1972 whilst seated in a bistro in the Old Port of Marseille....certain iconic experiences never leave you.

Here are a few performances captured of Bob Marley which demonstrates I think....how the differences between 'Live' and 'Recorded' music can easily be reproduced via YouTube Videos.

BOB MARLEY 1

BOB MARLEY 2

BOB MARLEY 3

BOB MARLEY 4

Enjoy.......
@halcro I love Bob Marley myself, there is Bob Marley and everyone else below.  I was a kid in the 70's (less than 10 years old) who visited Jamaica and learned about Marley.

A few years ago I was walking along a beach in Santa Barbara, CA and I heard some singer playing a guitar surrounded my a lot of very young kids. He sounded identical  to Bob Marley. I got closer to see it was one of his sons, Ziggy Marley. 

A few years ago I discovered someone who I think is a giant in the same level as Bob Marley, his name is Fela Kuti. The Bob Marley of Africa. Check him out if you are not familiar.
+1 Fela Kuti!  Check him out.

Halcro, me anti MM?  Not at all; way too strong a characterization.  I own several MM's and enjoy my Acutex'.  I recently purchased a M320 STR III that I have yet to mount.  While I obviously do have my preferences, it's probably fair to say that, overall, I have made about as many negative/positive comments about the MM cartridges presented here as I have about MC's.  With two notable exceptions, of course 😁.  Btw, the only MM's that I can honestly say "offend" me are the non-Ultra Shures. Can't stand their bland color-less presentation of timbre 😝. Come to think of it, it has been some of the vintage MC's that have offended me most with their overly tight and unnatural high frequencies:

At the risk of seeming indulgent; again, quotes from past comparisons.  May help clarify my general feelings about MM vs MC's and help answer your question about which MM (and MF) cartridges I have liked:

**** To my ears it is MM’s that tend to have a fuller, more tonally saturated sound; what I would describe as “lush”.  I have also found that the sometimes exaggerated high frequency “clarity” of some MC’s creates a better balance in my all-tube amplification chain which tends, itself, to be on the lush side.  Even the best of my MM’s can be a little too lush and dark in my system without enough clarity and control in the highs.  The problem for me is that while I love the midrange “neutrality” of good MM’s they tend to go a little too far in that direction; almost as if they rob timbres of some natural colors by seeming to reduce the high frequency extension needed to balance out the very full and dense midrange character.  MC’s tend to put the emphasis on clarity/detail in the highs leaving the midrange to sound too lean.  A very difficult balance to get right.  

Assessing dynamics is complicated since timbre neutrality affects our perception of it.  All I can say is that to me that wonderful “coiled spring” aliveness and sense of the music always moving forward is generally better served by good MC’s. ****

**** Audio Technica (180):

More distant perspective as if sitting further back in the room. The most linear and without the nasality. Tonally the most realistic. Colorless the way some Maggies are...probably too colorless; music has color. I want to say it’s my favorite, but the X1 is probably the most fun to listen with. ****

**** I think that the Glanz, overall, gives the Palladian the best “run for its money” of all of them.  

The Glanz is excellent and in some ways I like its tonal balance on the sound of the piano a little better than the Palladian which sounds a little “tinkly” at times.  This is a result or the Glanz having a fuller tonal balance which also adds more weight to the bass and a seductive dusky quality to the voice.  While the piano has more realistic weight it also has a less realistic timbre overall; it sounds a little odd in the higher registers and lacking a little natural brilliance. The extra weight in the bass makes the bass sound a little too thick and with less pitch definition than the Palladian.  Listen to the three note ascending bass line at 1:52 and the upward glissando at 1:59.  Less distinct than on the Palladian where one can more clearly hear the individual pitches of the notes.  The voice on the Palladian has a better sense of purity and refinement to my ears even if that dusky quality and extra chestiness one hears with the Glanz can be very appealing.  ****

Regards.



Wonderful Frogman.....
Thanks for that 🙏
To my ears it is MM’s that tend to have a fuller, more tonally saturated sound; what I would describe as “lush”.  I have also found that the sometimes exaggerated high frequency “clarity” of some MC’s creates a better balance in my all-tube amplification chain which tends, itself, to be on the lush side.  Even the best of my MM’s can be a little too lush and dark in my system without enough clarity and control in the highs.  The problem for me is that while I love the midrange “neutrality” of good MM’s they tend to go a little too far in that direction; almost as if they rob timbres of some natural colors by seeming to reduce the high frequency extension needed to balance out the very full and dense midrange character.  MC’s tend to put the emphasis on clarity/detail in the highs leaving the midrange to sound too lean.  A very difficult balance to get right.  
I had forgotten your brilliant synopsis posted previously....
Totally agree 👍
And thanks to you and yyz for the tip of Fela Kuti...
Will certainly check him out..