Help. System sounds thin and bright or harsh


Hope this isn't redundant tried to post in Tech Talk

Just moved my system to a new home/sound room and it still sounds harsh and a bit thin despite supposedly "warm" sounding Harbeth 30.1 speakers. This issue is not new and I had put the blame on the old listening room.  Can't figure out what the problem is. I listen loud at 80dcbl or higher and sit nearfield about 8 feet from the speaker plane. (sound is thin and bright from afar as well) I have experimented in both homes with speaker placement, toe-in and the like. Speakers are placed a lil over 3 feet from the rear wall and about two and a half feet from side walls.  I feel something is off. Perhaps a component or two that is known to be tipped up in the highs and a lil bass shy?? Also, I leave all solid state components fully powered up 24/7. (not the tubes)

System:

Modwright/Oppo BDP 105 disc player  (all mods with tubed power supply and pricey NOS tube upgrades throughout)  Looking to replace once the harshness/bright issue is nailed down.

Parasound JC2 Preamp

Pass Labs X250.5 Amp

Harbeth 30.1 stand mount speakers

Puritan Labs PSM 156 power conditioner. (less "edgy" sound with it in system)

System is run all balanced with fairly costly Cardas interconnects.

All input is welcome. Thanks in advance.

Happy listening.

 

 

cymivka

I fully intend to use room treatments. already using cloth at first reflection points on side walls.  Used dedicated treatments before to try and tame Harbeth slh5's with boomy bass in my old listening room.  (ended up way overdamped, got rid of all the devices to start over) I feel that I should be able to get to a decent basis point with the overall sound before buying pricey treatment options that, in my mind, should be a means of fine tuning the sound.(keep it minimal) It was my experience that room treatments did NOT have instant or dramatic impact on the overall sound. This new room could prove totally different on that score, who knows.

Meantime, think I need to try a different pre-amp and send the JC2 out for a check up and possible service. Modwright/Oppo balanced outs straight into Pass Labs X250.5 amp sounds smoother than before but not robust enough, hitting variable volume levels in the upper 50's to mid 60's out of 100 and there's too much missing.

There's been lots of talk about using a pair of subs with the 30.1's. I am open to the idea but wonder since the room is wide open behind the listening position that I might get away with 40.2's and avoid trying to sync subs.  (did not like my SLH5's) Common sense tells me that's not likely.  Loft is 13' 2" wide with side walls extending 11 feet before opening up to a very distant upstairs back wall. I sit about 9 feet back from the front wall or where the speakers are. Ceiling is vaulted 10 to 11 feet high.  I feel the big Harbeths would be too weighty in that set up but certainly would warm things up. One can dream.   

re room treatments: unless you are in a glass bubble, your system should have the tone and characteristics (such as warmth) you expect without room treatment. 

Sell the Harbeths. There is nothing wrong with your upstream gear, the problem is the Harbeths sound like studio monitors. Studio monitors are not “warm.” 

@cymivka i don’t think adding subs are the answer to this problem. Sound like you may have a connection problem or an amp problem. But “ harsh” and “bright” aren’t fixed by subs. You’ll get harsh and bright with a lot of bass. My opinion.

Interesting. Definitely thinking speaker change.( bigger warmer) For sure front end change new dac and new preamp, perhaps a Benchmark HPA 4. Not much to look at (who cares) but great reviews.  Tired of the system dictating the type of music I play.  Contacted Modwright and found out that the Oppo BDP 105 had 8 firmware updates. I never did any of them. Am going to try to get that done via ethernet but am not expecting a big change in sound.