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How to upgrade in pieces - or - tell me about your journey!
Hello
I am getting started on my journey into Hifi here and I would be willing to spend about 10k over the course of a couple of years to get my system from where it is today to something a step or two above. I intend for my system to always be a stereo system at heart and also for it to stay all digital (no intention of tape, tuner or vinyl - or eveb a CD player).
My current systems is a Sonos playing Tidal or lossless FLAC files from a NAS drive. The audio outputs of the Sonos get connected to a Jolida JD-202A which is a 40W class AB tube integrated. The speakers are Energy floorstanders.
I am happy for how the system sounds with a limited number of things - such as vocal heavy folk or classic rock (pre-70s) recorded in mono. It sounds integrated across the drivers with no one element of the speaker standing out. The soundstage is narrow, but the imaging is not bad.
Unfortunately, a vast majority of the music I listen to includes
So based on wanting to hear the clarity I hear in my headphones (HD650 with a headphone amp) with a similar amount of articulate bass, I want to upgrade my main stereo system in pieces. I want to go about it in the following fashion, knowing that there will be times in the middle of the process where the system will be less than ideal.
So my final system would likely look like
Aurelic Aeries (Mini) -> Ayre Codex DAC -> (Ayre Pre-amp) -> Bryston/Parasound/Plinius/Benchmark/Mcintosh amp -> Revel Performa 3 F208.
I expect this whole process to last me about a couple of years.
Does this sound like a journey worth embarking upon? Anything there that sounds to like it would be a really dumb idea?
I am getting started on my journey into Hifi here and I would be willing to spend about 10k over the course of a couple of years to get my system from where it is today to something a step or two above. I intend for my system to always be a stereo system at heart and also for it to stay all digital (no intention of tape, tuner or vinyl - or eveb a CD player).
My current systems is a Sonos playing Tidal or lossless FLAC files from a NAS drive. The audio outputs of the Sonos get connected to a Jolida JD-202A which is a 40W class AB tube integrated. The speakers are Energy floorstanders.
I am happy for how the system sounds with a limited number of things - such as vocal heavy folk or classic rock (pre-70s) recorded in mono. It sounds integrated across the drivers with no one element of the speaker standing out. The soundstage is narrow, but the imaging is not bad.
Unfortunately, a vast majority of the music I listen to includes
- A lot of baroque music. So the orchestra sizes are relatively small, but the vocals and melody lines are very nimble and need to be easy to follow for the counterpoint to show.
- modern electronic music - not dance floor fillers - but more experimental stuff ranging from IDM (Autechre, Chris Clark, Squarepusher) to ambient (Brian Eno, Max Richter)
- A good bit of classic jazz from the Miles Davis, Coltrane, Ornette Coleman and Herbie Hancock school.
- Lots of modern pop & rock - including bands like Wilco, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Sufjan Stevens, The National, Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead who include pretty much whatever the hell they want in their music.
So based on wanting to hear the clarity I hear in my headphones (HD650 with a headphone amp) with a similar amount of articulate bass, I want to upgrade my main stereo system in pieces. I want to go about it in the following fashion, knowing that there will be times in the middle of the process where the system will be less than ideal.
- First, purchase a DAC (looking at the Ayre Codex) & start feeding the Sonos output through that into the amplifier.
- Second, upgrade the speakers. I am looking to eventually end up with fairly high power solid state, so I am considering the Revel F206 or F208 speakers. I know they will fail to deliver much with my amp and be on the quiet side, but I hope that once I swap out the amp, they will start to sing.
- Third, find a power amp that can do at least 200W into 8 ohms. Perhaps the Bryston 4BSST2, Plinius, Parasound A21 or Benchmark power amp. Or maybe even a Mcintosh 402. Connect the DAC-pre directly into it via XLR to drive the speakers.
- Fourth, replace the sonos with a Aurelic Aeries Mini and use the USB out of that device into the Ayre Codex as I hear that it makes a much better sound.
- Lastly, consider putting a pre-amplifier into the path if necessary and I need expansion options (or if the sound quality of the dac suffers badly due to chopped off bits at low volumes)
So my final system would likely look like
Aurelic Aeries (Mini) -> Ayre Codex DAC -> (Ayre Pre-amp) -> Bryston/Parasound/Plinius/Benchmark/Mcintosh amp -> Revel Performa 3 F208.
I expect this whole process to last me about a couple of years.
Does this sound like a journey worth embarking upon? Anything there that sounds to like it would be a really dumb idea?
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@badri Did you read this review in Germany's Audio magazine about the Kii Three? Quote: "Let me tell you this much up front: here’s
a family friendly compact speaker that
scores far higher on all significant audiophile
fronts than any we’ve had here at
AUDIO in our thirty plus year history." This would be perfect for an SF apartment. You can connect it directly to your Sonos Connect's S/PDIF output. No other equipment required. Wait a couple years and see if it lives up to the hype. |
@badri I did not get my Sonos upgraded. I don't want to put more $ into the Sonos when a replacement of the Sonos and the DAC may be on my horizon when they move to a second room. But I am hooked on the Sonos mainly because of its Android compatible app. What ever I would switch to would have to have a comparable Android app at least as good as Sonos. I used to connect my Sonos to my DAC with a Toslink cable but it kept slipping out every time I moved something so I switched to a digital coax connection. Could not find a toslink calble |
Plex software includes apps and server and runs on most all common platforms including Android and the app has gotten quite good on the last year or so and continues to get better. I’ve been going towards PLEX rather than Sonos (proprietary hardware) to replace my current Squeeze system and devices someday soon. You can start for free with Plex and CD quality sound if you already have computers, and common streamers or mobile devices. |
@mapman You are dead right about the sub-dudes. They make a fairly dramatic difference to the sound quality. With them under my speakers, the amount of bass is vastly reduced, but it is now a lot tighter & faster, which is exactly what I wanted! Thanks so much for the tip! That said, the limitations of my speaker (where it compresses oddly when driven past even moderate volumes) are still exactly what they are. But now I have a much more accurate view of it's deficiencies rather than being bothered by the fat and plodding bass. |
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