Is anyone thinking about building Walsh drivers?


I'm hoping to start a discussion that is not charged with emotion that may be useful to folks seeking to build Walsh transmission line drivers.
Any of you out there played with this seriously?
J-
glorocks
*G*  I appreciate the support that I receive here and at the other forums I haunt.  As for 'variations on the theme', I'm certainly finding that to be true.  There's a number of 'enhancements' that I'd like to try on just a 'simple' version to see and hear what differences may be made on how it sounds, how it reacts.
I feel I'm close to having a 'baseline' version that could be dealt with:
-A 'common driver' that's robust enough to be 'pushed' without frying it's voice coil due to heat if played loud with a variety of 'source material'.
-A cone material that's not too exotic that will withstand 'exuberance';  I've seen and heard of the early Walshs' succumbing to that, wrinkling.  I've had cones come loose from the voice coils, cone seams opening up and beginning to 'buzz'.  Towards that....
-Adhesives have to be strong and capable of withstand the range of vibrations and the stresses of being pushed/pulled and generally vibrated incessantly.  One learns; fortunately when one builds it, you can repair it easily enough (well, more or less, easier...)
-A surround material that 'damps' the descending 'waves' of vibrations, but still allows for a certain amount of compliance.  Zero compliance would stress the voice coil such that it's lifespan would measure in hours; terribly impractical...  Early versions I've done can be 'toyed with', placing your fingers on the surround and changing the nature of what's heard from the cone.  Amusing to have a 'physical eq' element, but not one you'd want to employ on a regular basis....;)
-Choice of 'base treatment'.  I have them on columns because I 'like the look', and it allows for a number of variation there.  Damped, undamped, ported, unported, even no base at all...
-Interior cone treatments.  The originals had their 'mystery goo' which, unfortunately, had a limited lifespan.  Hardening, falling off...   What it was is known, and not to be replicated.  But it opens up a variety of variations;  treatments applied to the interior of the cone surface, some simple, others not so much.  I'm currently playing with a variation that's not on the cone itself at all, suggested by a patent that predates the Walsh patent.  Something 'that works' that doesn't need to be 'on' the cone has appeal; it won't have to put up with the rigors that the adhesives are put through....

It's a Quixotic Quest, to be sure.  I lack the budget of the 'big guys', nor any staff to build, test, change, retest to arrive to the compromise that satisfies 'enough' of the parameters above to be listenable, reasonably accurate, exhibit no major flaws, and be robust enough to be played hard in the way we all do periodically and yet be subtle enough for those passages that invoke reverie they way they do...

I never get the time to totally immerse myself into it....stolen time, late hours, the occasional day.  Collecting the parts, making hardware, assembly of these elements into a whole, and holding one's breath when the time of 'First Song' is sent through the wires.

If it flies, letting it 'break in', like any new speaker you've pulled from the box.  What will it sound like 'later', when the 'new' wears off...?  What happens when you get the gumption to really Crank It Up?  

This is my take on the 'audio hobby', my version of 'truth', my search for 'nirvana'.  I'm enjoying myself immensely.  And it can't and won't be taken from me even if it only serves to please me, even if I'm the only one that has the pleasure of listening to them.  So far only a handful of people have heard them; all impressed to varying degrees.  None of which are what I'd consider 'audiophiles', so I take that response with a large grain of salt.

I have an open invitation to anyone would like to hear them.  I'd welcome some 'educated ears' to give a critique, good or bad, just not indifferent.
They're omnis, after all....not to everyone's taste.  But, still....

I will persist...to borrow the phrase from Samsung's ad:

" Do what you can't."

You bet....;)
My fantasy:

Offer you a beer before you hear them.

If I can make you drop it, I'll know I've succeeded. ;)
I bought a set of Ohm Fs back in 1975 or 76 and they were absolutely magical. Unfortunately, life required that I had to part with them a few years after that.

About 10 years ago, I wanted to recapture that sound and did the home trial of a set of Ohm 2000s. They were good, and I could have lived them them, but there was no magic. 

I understand why the current Ohm company doesn't make the drivers they way they used to, and also understand why Dale's speakers cost what they do. True Walsh drivers do have a magic of their own. 
Absolutely, misstl.

I got to hear a pair of F's eons ago, and was enthralled by what I heard and how.  I couldn't afford them, nor had a space that they could work their magic.  That, and they were huge and I was too 'mobile' at the time to move them about and risk heart-breaking damage...

I'm not against the current Ohm series; I've even suggested them to others who I felt might enjoy an omni, as they are 'good bang for the buck' and offer a return policy for those that ultimately don't care for them.  But,yeah...they really don't have 'that magic'....

I can't afford Dale's either.  Even less so, the German Physiks units that I'm somewhat basing my 'design philosophy' on, with some variations on the DDD units they offer.  I have my own thoughts on where to go with them, given my limitations...time, budget, available resources and techniques, all that.

But...even given that, they work.  Not flawlessly, to be honest and critical about it, but they approach 'the magic' to the point that I hardly listen to my 'typical' speakers anymore.  Even though I'm still a fan of the ESS AMT dipoles that I own as a reference to how 'clear' a driver should be and should sound, and how 'fast' they should respond.

At 65 my ears and the 'wetware' betwixt them aren't as sharp as they used to be.  As Clint once said, "A man's got to know his limitations."  *L*  But even given that, I'm still 'picky' and I can still hear enough to know 'the differences' that I seek.  But with every iteration, I get closer to what I'm 'hearing for' (as opposed to 'looking for' *G*).

I've been lucky.  I've gotten to communicate with current and former 'industry pros' that have not only been supportive of my efforts, but also have been or are in the trenches of Walsh related activities.  I have 'fans and admirers, and have been relentless enough that I now show up on page one of a Google search page and their image pages.  I suppose one could say I've become notorious in this quest...there are worst things to be regarded for being notorious about, however IMHO.....;)

I'm now, for good or ill, become the default 'expert' on the subject.

I'm the first to remind one of the 'other' definition of an 'ex-pert'...an unknown drip under pressure.  Perhaps a better 'fit', given the entity typing this...*L*  "Limitations", y'know...

But, still....I will carry on anon....and on and on.  Although my spouse doesn't fully understand Why I'm about this, she does like what she hears and appreciates to varying degrees my 'hobby'.  One can't ask for much more from that quarter, esp. when pointing out that I'm doing this on a relative 'shoestring budget' if related to other extremes of the 'hobby'.

I have my own opinions about that subject; I do 'tease' from time to time, but try to avoid 'ruffling others fur' about and over those 'extremes' needlessly.  We all have our preferences...
BTW....I'm back. *S* Hi, y'all. *S*

After 7 wks. in FL & 2 wks. of recoup', restoration, and relative 'nice, normal chaos' it's nice to be able to take a moment and see if anyone's still 'listening'. 

Anyhow...have picked up the parts and started doing some assembly on the V.4's. The CNC'd bases have been laid out and drilled, the tweets have been installed into theirs, and patterns are about to be created for the surrounds and assembly routines on the main cones. Tubing and hardware will begin to be cut after some 'fine tuning' of lengths...just to be sure, as 'stretchers' for that sort of thing are in short supply...

Have had 9 wks. to consider cone fabrication, still a major routine to get into. Rolling them is still a hands-on activity that demands time, patience, and a high degree of attention and care. I'm planning on doing a 'test crash dummy' or three to ensure I can create 4 final ones that exhibit a high degree of duplication and quality control.

Getting my head back into the quest has taken some 'goofing around' with side projects, just to 'warm up' the hands that will do the deed...

...and I'm just about There. *G*