Is the DAC the digital equivalent of a cartridge.


I'm thoroughly convinced that the closest thing to the source of the music/sound is most important component.  I'm an analog vinyl guy, but am looking into digital, and was just wondering if DACs have the same influence on the sound because it's as close to the source as the cartridge is.  

tyan42

Nobody said RIAA EQ was anything like the number crunching, filtering, and shaping of DACs. This is a weak analogy to begin with - and the idea was that both phono stages and DACs do "signal processing", in a VERY broadly general sense. Which is true, if not very useful.

And personally I feel that the SONIC impact of phono stages in a high-end rig is extremely large - typically much more than the differences I’ve experienced between DACs. We're talking about voltage amplification factors beyond 1,000x (60dB), so there's that. But again, I’ve gone way further into analog playback than I ever did with digital.

Depending on the quality of the digital source you listen to, thru a good DAC, you will realize how much better the dynamics, noise floor, soundstage and accuracy of the music is, which you would never be able to get via listening to vinyl. Simply by the limitation of the technology and what you can ’cut’ into the groove of a vinyl, you are limited in the dynamics of the sound by at least about 6-8dbs in comparison to even the 44.1khz CD recordings. It is also a medium which gets destroyed every time you play it.  Furthermore, note that almost all vinyl after the 90’s is actually pressed from a digital recording anyway :-)

A good DAC is obviously very important not to add fatigue and or ’harshness’ to the sound.

Schiit bifrost2, Gungnir, Chord Qutest, RME ADI2 are some of the affordable and best DACs out there in the medium price range. There are a lot more, some cheaper and/or some more expensive ones obviously but these are smack in the middle of the range which would satisfy about 95% of listeners.

I’ve had two Schiit Yggdrasils and they don’t approach the musical satisfaction of ANY of the dozens of analog combinations I’ve had at home in the last 10 years. I don’t care about how wonderful digital is on paper. The Schiits also break down...a lot. And their customer service sucks worse than their name.

@mulveling

Are you aware that you are most likely listening to a digital recording thru your vinyl ? 95% of all vinyl pressed after the 90s is digitally recorded first.

But good if you are enjoying your sound. I personally moved from a Linn Sondek with an MM Nagaoka MP500 cartridge on an SME 3009R to digital and never looked back.

I still occasionally like listening to vinyl too but what I realized eventually (came to admit to myself) is that I like ’watching’ it more than actually listening to it. There is something nostalgic and nice about watching a nice sophisticated tonearm gliding on vinyl. But for me, the sound does not even come close.

 

@mulveling

Are you aware that you are most likely listening to a digital recording thru your vinyl ? 95% of all vinyl pressed after the 90s is digitally recorded first.

But good if you are enjoying your sound. I personally moved from a Linn Sondek with an MM Nagaoka MP500 cartridge to digital and never looked back.

@cakyol 

Yes, of course I realize much vinyl is digitally mastered. But there you go - many 70s and earlier recordings DO tend to sound better (at their best, simply sublime to me). The 80s has some rough sounding vinyl, but it’s not like the CDs didn’t have massive problems too. I still enjoy vinyl more overall, even from the 80s to modern era. The main problem I have is the expense or nonexistence of good material from the 90s to early 2000s on vinyl.

I’m OK with digitally sourced/mastered vinyl. It can still sound really good. Don’t know why that doesn’t extend for me to digital media, and don’t really care anymore. I’ve tried enough over the years and settled on what works for me too.

I still occasionally like listening to vinyl too but what I realized eventually (came to admit to myself) is that I like ’watching’ it more than actually listening to it. There is something nostalgic and nice about watching a nice sophisticated tonearm gliding on vinyl. But for me, the sound does not even come close.

I listen to vinyl in the dark a lot, so that must not be a factor for me.

I’m glad you enjoy your digital more. I certainly DON’T want to convert anyone from digital to analog. Good vintage vinyl is already expensive enough!