Law of Diminishing Returns - CD/SACD Players


I've been surfing through Audiogon reading many of the posts regarding the sonic qualities of some of the top tier cd/sacd players. Some brands/models that seem to be mentioned often are EMM Labs, dCS, Meridian, Esoteric, Audio Aero, etc. These players, however, are in the tens of thousands of dollars. I would love to own one of these machines some day, however, finances do not currently permit.

For those of you that have evolved to owning a top tier player like those listed above, what players can you recommend that would give 95 percent of the performance of a top tier player, without having to pay the price of a top tier machine? What does one have to pay to get that 95 percent performance? Does a Rotel 1072 give us 95 percent of the sound? Can a $1000 player like the Rega Apollo compete? Or does one have to move up a more costly player like the Resolution Audio Opus 21 or Ayre Cx7e to obtain the 95 percent? ...or perhaps one has to move to the $5000 - $6000 category of player like the Cary 306, Ayre C5xe, or Bluenote Stibbert?

Unfortunately, I have not heard any of the top tier digital players. I would love to hear from those who have had the opportunity to own or audition the very best. We all know that extracting the last 5 percent of sonic nirvana is extremely costly! What is the best "bang for your buck" to obtain 95 percent of the sound of a first class player?

calgarian
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Another example is the $3000 Ayre Cx7e; it's another player that has received critical acclaim/awards. How does this player compare to the best? Magazine reviewers probably don't want to tell us in their reviews because it poses a degree of negativity towards a product that may very well be a class leader at a certain price point.

Calgarian,

At it's price point, the Ayre CX7e is an excellent player. Although it gives a taste of the CX5e, it is no CX5e (which costs twice as much). In saying this, I am not casting any negative notions on the CX7e. In fact, it has the place of honor in my second system. However, for my primary system, I currently have Alex Peychev's APL 3910 (with AKM DACs) which, for about the same money as the CX5e, is in a higher league than the CX5e (in my humble opinion). For more details of my comparative impressions of these players, please see my posts on other threads. Several audiophiles who compared the APL 3910 to players costing as much as three times it's cost, claim that it either bested those players or held it's own against them. But as sublime as the APL 3910 is, it is now significantly bested by it's big (and more expensive) brother the APL NWO-2.5 which is Alex Peychev's brilliant original design that uses the excellent Esoteric UX-1 VRDS NEO transport and chassis. The NWO-2.5 is being heralded as a major milestone and the cutting edge of digital that is on par with (or better than) the state of the art for vinyl. However, the fact that I recently ordered a 2.5, does not cast any negative notions on my APL 3910. Each of these players is a stepping stone on the path to musical Nirvana.

Calgarian, you were hoping that some owners of top-of-the-line digital sources would recommend players whose performance is just shy of the top tier players but without their cost. If no one obliges, this information can be gotten indirectly by reading the reviews by these owners and then seeing to what degree a less expensive unit manifests the fine qualities discussed in those reviews. One typical difference between a top tier player and lesser one is that the former usually do many more things well than the latter. This is especially evident in the recent superlative reviews of the NWO-2.5 posted on the APL Forum: http://www.aplhifi.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=558

Best Regards,
John
Puremusic....
Given that the Esoteric UX1 is $13,000, I'm just curious what the APL NWO 2.5 costs. I'd love to hear this machine!

calgarian
Calgarian, The APL NWO-2.5 for USA is $21K and for Europe it's $22K. As I understand it, the price difference is due to the higher cost of the European version of the Esoteric unit.
Thanks once again for everyone's responses. I wanted to update everyone on my quest for a new digital player. In two weeks, I should have in my hot little hands (just in time for my 40th birthday!..Nice gift to myself huh?) a new Ayre C-5xe. Given the fact that I've not had the opportunity to audition the EMM Labs, Reimyo, Wadia, Esoterics, Zandens...etc, I'm hoping the Ayre will provide me with a significant "wow" factor upgrade from my current Arcam CD92 player...and bring me one step closer to audio-nirvana.
calgarian
Calgarian,

You may be happy with your new unit, a self-fulfilling prophecy. But to get back to the subject, I suspect a plot of audio goodness against cost would show a curve that started to reach asymptote a bit about a few hundred dollars and that would be essentially flat above $1500. But such a curve would need to ignore mystic, and be based on blind evaluation.

db