Lumin P1 or Pre / Streamer / DAC separates?


Hi - wanted to see if anyone had experience with the Lumin P1 - especially interested in how it works as a Preamp.  I have both Krell Illusions ii & Zesto Leto Preamplifiers.  I use a Auralic G1 Aries Streamer and a MHDT Pagoda balanced DAC.  They feed a Krell Duo 300xd Amplifier.
 

I am thinking about simplifying things, shifting to the Lumin P1 as a Streamer / DAC and Pre.  I previously had a Lumin D2 which I thought punched above it’s weight class, I’m confident the P1 is an outstanding Streamer / DAC but less confident in if it will perform well as a Pre.  I’ve tried feeding the 300xd direct without a Pre and have always preferred having a Pre in the chain.  
 

The P1 was designed to change the narrative.

Crazy to think the P1 can best separates?  Again, I think it would best my streamer / DAC. 
 

Thanks,

mm1tt77

@Natev305 I had never heard of the MC men220 before your post.  When I look up the description I can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t work out play well with the P1.  If you had a HT receiver you were using as a preamp and or pre /amp combo then you might rethink adding the P1.  Many of the newer HT Receivers process whatever you feed them with their own DAC’s.  Changes the sound signature defeating the purpose of an expensive stand alone DAC.  I men220 is adjusting the signal purely for room correction and it isn’t reprocessing the analogue signal the P1 is sending back into a digital signal should work well if you leave it in the chain, assuming you like the effect it has on the sound. 
 

Take my advice with a grain of salt as I am not familiar with the men220.  I have an Anthem MRX1140 with room correction.  I don’t care for it as a Pre in my 2 Channel, when I dug into why discovered it converts / processes all inputs digitally.  No way I can use the room correction without it converting the analogue signal back to a digital signal, processing through the DAC’s used for each channel which are designed to deliver Surround sound.  When I read about the men220 doesn’t seem like that’s how it works.  Heck, even if it does and you like the sound, then it’s a winner.  I find in my system I don’t care for the Anthem reprocessing the signal. 

Thank you.

 

the men220 is a pretty clean pass-thru analog to digital and back to analog - the P1 would be the pre for all streaming not the Marantz - that is only for HT. The P1 would handle the DAC duties for anything 2 channel. 

 

Looking to compare the P1 as a pre to the C900 specifically.

 

 

This comment applies to ROON or JRiver users (maybe more but I do not know)

If the men220 is the DSP piece from MAC then that and any audio hardware DSP can be better by software dsp that runs as Convolution filters.

https://accuratesound.ca/

How well the P1 performs as a Pre will likely hinge on the amp it’s feeding. 
 

I have a Krell amp and the Krell likes a quality pre in the chain.  I have had other amps that sounded better to my ears with a DAC feeding it directly.  If your Pre is the Luxman C900 then I don’t think the P1 preamp section will compare or be in the same league.  That said, if the Amp has a synergy with the Lumin P1 could sound better than with a Pre.  Leedh volume control on the Lumin is a really good digital volume control.

Good Luck, 

thanks guys and the Lumin P1 is going to Luxman m900u amp.

will be giving it a shot this week.