Manley vs VTL??


What is the difference? Aren't they the same people with two intermingled companies? I recall Manley amps being built by VTL with both names on the face plates. Does anyone know about these two companies? Does their gear sound the same?
db2sub1
Maybe not the same but similar, in as far as similar designs (ie. MB450 vs Neo500) which are evolutions of past designs. Both are optimized for 5 ohm speakers. The companies are diverting more as time passes and I've heard rumours that trend will continue in surprising ways. Their preamps, integrated and smaller amps are completely different designs. Any similaritiy in sound is due to their dedication to make it best.

Manley has always been more into elite professional equipment and that still is the bulk of their business.
Ncarv,
Thanks for the correction,its been a while since I have read a VTL review.
For those interested in David Manley's designs, there's a couple of cool new little boxes called "London Tube" he designed for Audient that just came out.
I have First Sound paramount mk 2 preamp enyone have heard Vtl or Manley power amp with them ?
David Manley started VTL in the early 80's and based the products on his own designs.  Once VTL was established his son Luke ran the business.  David moved on and started Manley Audio and made gear for the Studio/Pro.  The two companies were never suppose to compete with each other.  David's and his much younger wife ended up divorced and along the way, David ended up out, Luke got VTL and Eveanna got Manley and started to compete with VTL in the Home Audio.  Using David Manley original designs as a base both companies evolved in slightly different ways. side note, both companies are only a mile or so away from the other and I don't think they are on talking terms.