Dear friends:The main subject of this thread is start a dialogue to find out the way we almost all think or be sure about the thread question :  " true " answer.


Many years ago I started the long Agon MM thread where several audiophiles/Agoners and from other audio net forums participated to confirm or to discover the MM/MI/IM/MF/HOMC world and many of us, me including, was and still are" surprised for what we found out in that " new " cartridge world that as today is dominated by the LOMC cartridges.


Through that long thread I posted several times the superiority of the MM/types of cartridges over the LOMC ones even that I owned top LOMC cartridge samples to compare with and I remember very clearly that I posted that the MM and the like cartridges had lower distortion levels and better frequency range quality performance than the LOMC cartridges.


In those times j.carr ( Lyra designer ) was very active in Agon and in that thread  I remember that he was truly emphatic  posting that my MM conclusion was not  true due that things on distortion cartridge levels in reality is the other way around: LOMC has lower distortion levels.


Well, he is not only a LOMC cartridge designer but an expert audiophile/MUSIC lover with a long long and diverse first hand experiences listening cartridges in top TT, top tonearms and top phono stages and listening not only LOMC cartridges but almost any kind of cartridges in his and other top room/systems.


I never touched again that subject in that thread and years or months latter the MM thread I started again to listening LOMC cartridges where my room/system overall was up-graded/dated to way superior quality performance levels than in the past and I posted somewhere that j.carr was just rigth: LOMC design were and are superior to the other MM type cartridges been vintage or today models.


I'm a MUSIC lover and I'm not " married " with any kind of audio items or audio technologies I'm married just with MUSIC and what can gives me the maximum enjoyment of that ( every kind )  MUSIC, even I'm not married with any of my opinions/ideas/specific way of thinking. Yes, I try hard to stay " always " UNBIASED other than MUSIC.


So, till today I followed listening to almost every kind of cartridges ( including field coil design. ) with almost every kind of tonearms and TTs and in the last 2 years my room/system quality performance levels were and is improved by several " stages " that permits me better MUSIC audio items judgements and different enjoyment levels in my system and other audio systems. Yes, I still usemy test audio items full comparison proccess using almost the same LP tracks every time and as always my true sound reference is Live MUSIC not other sound system reproduction.


I know that the main thread subject is way complicated and complex to achieve an unanimous conclusions due that exist a lot of inherent differences/advantages/unadvantages in cartridges even coming from the same manufacturer.


We all know that when we talk of a cartridge we are in reality talking of its cantilever buil material, stylus shape, tonearm used/TT, compliance, phono stage and the like and my " desire " is that we could concentrate in the cartridges  as an " isolated " audio item and that  any of our opinions when be posible  stay in the premise: " everything the same ".


My take here is to learn from all of you and that all of us try to learn in between each to other and not who is the winner but at the " end " every one of us will be a winner.


So, your posts are all truly appreciated and is a thread where any one can participates even if today is not any more his analog alternative or is a newcomer or heavily experienced gentleman. Be my guest and thank's in advance.




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Dear @theophile : I think that some of the gentlemans that posted about in AK have a misunderstood because never existed the Streohedron III ( as one of them named. ) and : why now I that?

because the dimensions of that III version in the Epoch 9S is exactly the same dimensions that comes in my Stanton 981 HZ MK2 and same cantilever length.

In the other side and looking the SR , your calibration data and my manual and calibration card seems to me that the cartridges you own as I told you before are very good performers but at least for the information not superior to the 981 MK2. Obviously that I can’t confirm it but through my first hand several experiences with any kind of cartridges there is " nothing " that could tell me can beats the 981MK2 ( HZ. ), even my sample cartridge seems/could be better because Stanton says that its high frequency goes over 50khz and in the Epoch 9 stops at 50khz ( important?. I don’t think so but is " something . Other issue is that in the SR JH said that for the Epoch could track  the Telarc 1812 it did it only at VTF 1,25grs. and mine does it cleanly at 1.0gr. and I never tested at 0.75grs. on VTF but I will do some day because at the end it tracks 100u.

All in as every day is a learning day and this one was and is a learning onr for me.

Than’ks again and surely I will wait for your first hand experiences with.




I am seriously thinking of sending both the LZ-9S and the HZ-9S to you Raul. I haven't got the arm for them here.

Dear @theophile  : That you mentioned  that is extremely appreciated and yes I could czan test and compare against the 981 what the HZ does but I think that before that we can interchange information where maybe I can help for you can listen in your system:


Thank's and again truly appreciated,


Dear friends: Through the posts that all of youposted we, more or less, are in agreement that evrything the same wecan have first rate/top quality listen system experiences with the different kind of cartridge motors:MC, MM, MI etc, etc.

Obviously that with the cartridge self colorations.

Well, I was doing some testsusing the top same LP tracks with different choosed LOMC,HOMC,MM,MF,MI. trying to find out ( other thmaiat its intrinsecal cartridge  colorations. ) where mainly belongs the quality levels of each top cartridge sample and I think ( something I'm not totally sure. ) that comesfrom the " kind " of transiente cartridge response this is the Speed of that transient response.

Is it that way of think about true or just does not matters?  whatdo you think abou

t?  I would like to learn through your first hand similar experiences.


Thank's you in advance and your posts heavy welcomed.



There likely is something to the idea that cartridge transient response is very important to conveying the sense of a live performance (studio or concert), because for me when I attend live music (as I will be doing in about 2 hours from now), the outstanding quality of real live music compared to electronic reproduction of music is the dynamics of the former. Dynamic responses or the sense of a dynamic response requires both a very rapid transient response and a wide range of amplitude (difference between the highest SPLs and the lowest SPLs). Not only do cartridges have shortcomings in this regard, but also speakers. At least that is my sense of it.