Mint Tractor


I'm sorry, I apologize, please forgive me for doubting all of you who have told me of the need for the Mint Protractor. I got it today, and just did a quick check to find that the cartridge is indeed off set up with the VPI protractor that comes with the Supercout/10.5i. I read the directions and it is a very tedious, and slow going procedure, so I'll get back in a while and tell you if I hear any differences.
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I'll walk you through the graphite cleaning, Dan. It might be a good topic to take on the Galibier Forum for other users as well.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Just a heads up, I got my Mintlp Protractor today.
First time I ever got anything for Hong Kong in my life, and perhaps Yip should offer a side service, where he could ship me in a few bottles of some really good Chinese Oyster Sauce! lol Yummy!

Anyway, all arrived intact, Yip did a fine job of packing. I like the lighted magnifier, much smaller, and probably easier to use, than the huge affair I have on hand.

I like the personalized flair that Yip sis with these, it's made "especially for me"! The 211mm AQ PT Arc will work for both tables I have.

So, I'm looking at the Protractor, and saying to myself, ahh, a nice fine Arc line, but I only see just two lines on the Null Grids. Hmm, I thought.

Yanking out the 10X Loupe I have, I look closely at the Null Grids to discover two thicker lines, and three very fine lines in between, plus a very minute Tic, right on the Arc, which it where the Stylus must be placed.

While I haven't done the alingment yet (I know one must be prepped, and in a very happy mood before toying with anything like this) It looks to me, that Yip has made a very good product, with very high resolution.

It must be this ultra-fine resolution that sets his Protractor apart from many others avaliable.

Hopefully, I'll find a correct Spindle sized hole when I begin. I'll write again, when I can offer more to us 'Goners here. Mark

I got my Mint Protractor yesterday. Before I ordered my protractor, I measured the spindle diameter with a caliper, just to make sure the diameter stated by Acoustic Signature was correct. At first, I was surprised that Yip is such a perfectionist that he even takes into consideration the diameter of the spindle so that the protractor fits snugly around it. That's the way it should be! If the protractor fits loosely around the spindle, then the cartridge setup will be off.

Any other protractor I've used fits either loosely or too tight on my turntable. Because of this, I made my own arc protractor based on the dimensions provided by Dynavector. It's a simple drawing that I printed on thick photo paper. I thought I was being precise by having all my lines 0.5mm thick, but after getting the Mint Protractor I realized that a 0.5mm thick line is too thick for such a precise setup. The arc line and the null point lines from the Mint Protractor can be defined as "hair lines".

The instructions for using the Mint Protractor are very clear. In my experience, the thinner the lines of the protractor, the longer it may take to setup the cartridge. The setup took about 2 hours. I just kept working on it until the tip of the stylus was right in the middle of the arc line at both ends. With Yip's clever instructions, I found the null points easier to setup.

With such a precision tool, I was eventually expecting a more controlled sound presentation from my system. Instead I got that, plus a lot more. Sibilants are now quite sharp and distortion-free. There is more layer definition as well. It is as if a can see that an instrument is in front of another instrument. The silences are so dead quiet that sometimes, for a split of a second, I thought that something must have failed because there was no sound. All the nuances and details of the performance are now more present, which makes everything sound more real.

After the setup, my entire analogue system sounds like it has been updated one or two steps up. I'm very relieved that after so many years, finally somebody has developed a protractor that will absolutely reveal the true potential of an analogue playback system. This precision tool should be a must for anybody who is serious about analogue playback.
If the Moderators would be so kind, I would like adding my $.02. I just got around to using my Mintlp Protractor on my VPI HW-19 Table, with AQ PT-9 Arm, and spent about 1-1/2 hours with this Alignment process.
Hopefully, I can add what hasn't been covered by others, and will be helpful as a reference for the Mintlp.

Firstly, I'll state, comfort is paramount, know that you will be in front of the Table for a length of time, and w4ill be an impossibility standing over any Table in a Rack, and trying to perform this procedure. I know that lifting my Table, which must weigh near 60lbs as it is right now, out of Rack to place on the Kitchen Table is no fun!

Yes, my alignment, which was proviously done as meticulously as I could with a Turntable Basics Mirror Protractor was off.

When Aligning Stylus to the outside of the Mintlp Arc, and then swinging to the inside of Arc, I estimate I was off by a full 1.00mm, maybe even a tad more which probably equates to an error of +-.5mm. Checking the Carrtridge-Cantilever Zenith at the two Null Points was slightly off as well.

Conclusion is, that the Mintlp has much greater resolution for one, and the other is mis-interpretation error of trying to perfectly align a Sight-Line Type Protractor.

Since I did provide Yip with my Spindle Dia, of .282", I did find Yip made it a perfect, snug fit, and I felt there was no need to tape Spindle to Platter, that it stayed put as long as you don't bump it. I found that by leaving the Tractor in this state, it was easier to very carefull "nudge" the Tractor for the Alignment process. I'd like to comment that the surface of the Mintlp is not quite so "sticky", as others have claimed, that if one excersizes care, and doesn't have "the shakes", one can ever so carefully nudge the Tractor, or nudge the Tonearm, without too much worry of having your Stylus pop off the Cantilever, or yanking Cantilever from Cartridge Body.

Yip ingeniously left the area where the two Null Points are a clear Vinyl, thus enabling one to much easier see the Null Lines, thier reflections in the Mirror, and the ever so tiny reference "Tics".

Although "easy" is a relative term. With my ZYX Airy 3X, trust me when I say it is NOT easy seeing such a tiny little Stylus!

This is exasperated by the fact that Yip's reference lines-grid, and reference Tics are almost miscroscopic in nature.

I will comment that just the lighted Magnifier that Yip includes with his Protractor will not be enough to let you properly accomplish the task of alignment. All this Magnifier will help you through, is perhaps setting overhang. It is I feel not sufficient for doing the Zenith Alignment, or checking exact placement of Stylus on the reference Null Point Tics.

With that being said, one should have the "10X Lupe" which it is called, that Yip sells extra, and I found I pulled out every Magnifier, and Loupe I have in my possession, which were two lighted Magnifiers, and three Loupes, Yip's, a 10X B+L, I have, and also a 30X fold away Loupe which I bought a couple of months ago at a gun show for $8.

The Loupes are a definitely needed item, but they too can be a PITA, due to the limited, short Depth of Field.

I also complimented my efforts with my Littlite, with 18" Gooseneck, and this was a handy item, letting me position the light in any way I wished, trying light at different angles to gain every advantage I could. Nice thing about the Littlite, it stays were you put it.

Looking at the Null Grid from a position at the front of the Cartridge, is exactly Akin to looking down a little Two Lane Road, with Centerline, and the Parallax feature incorporated into this Protractor is really pretty cool! It appears Yip has done his homework very well.

Here at the front of Cartridge, and also at the very farthest outside origin of the Arc though, are about the only two places where you may get close enough to actually implement the higher power magnification of the Loupe. Due to lack of depth of field, it is a very testy process trying to get close enough to focus the Stylus into view with Loupe. (perhaps you guys with the nudies, like the Benz Gliders will have an easier time with this)

I cannot stress enough, to make sure you use every little process-Loupe-Magnifier-Lighting-Comfort-Aid to your advantage. It will be these things that will enhance the use of this Protractor, and lessen the chance of any fubars, or grey hairs. The ultimate goal is of course, getting your Stylus dead nuts on the money, and your efforts will no doubt be greatly rewarded.

As Yip explains, take many breaks, do some, walk away, come back, check again, over, and over, so that when finally done, one has absolutely no doubts that your efforts were not wasted in vain.

I have noted that you will probably notice as I did, some very miniscule "Scratching" at the center of Reference Grids occuring, caused by the diamond tip scratching the vinyl surface of the Protractor. I imagine this cannot be avoided.

A couple of times through the process, I did do as Yip suggested, using a Q-Tip, with Alcohol to wipe the surface at the reference grids.

As to how is sounds, I didn't get too much listen time in, perhaps an hour, to test a couple of very good LPs, and it is too early to comment with numerous paragraphs of all the audiophile catch-phrases, but I will say that my sound has certainly not gotten worse with my aligning efforts, with my Airy 3X Cartridge, and I seemed to initially notice better definition-attack on leading edge of dynamic transients, slightly better, crisper detail in treble response.

As I close, I will say the Mintlp Protractor was money well spent, and I thank Yip for providing us folks with a really good product that does what its supposed to do. Mark
Mark,that was a GREAT and apparently convincing post!!I might just have to "hate" you for it -:)

I think it may just have pushed me over the top regarding relying only on my Graham set-up tools(which are quite good,btw).I've been happy to rationalize this stock method as just fine,but am having my doubts if "it" cannot be bettered.

I say this because using my stock Graham alignment procedure(with my new Phantom II) means eyeballing the arm in a parallel position,in order to get the arm-tube's "alignment hole" in the proper position,for spindle to pivot distance.

The tube's alignment hole fits over the spindle attachment tool even if the tube's being perfectly parallel is slightly off(I'm talking about only a couple of degrees)but from what I am "learning" even "that" is going to be audible.

The bearing can shift a little,in order to accomodate this position,so one must be careful (to avoid any feeling of a shifting)and I've got it very well set-up this way.Also,the cartridge is not on the tube yet,and further alignment is done with the provided jig(once tightened up,this jig is very good).It still works quite well....Yet....

How can I know for sure if the tube is absolutely parallel,just by locking it into the provided spindle pivot alignment tool?A very slight shift in parallel would "still" be enough for the spindle pivot attachment to fit into the arm hole anyway,but though this is accurate,I doubt it can get us to where the Mint(or Wally) can.

I doubt "this" distance can be as precise as the "Mint",because the arm would have to be up quite high using the vta tower,in order to align the tube in a parallel fashion over the arm-tube's set up hole.How can one know if it is actually EXACT,and 100% parallel. The slightest angle shift(even if the spindle tool fits into the hole)will mean an error.Right?.....DRATS,I really don't care to play around anymore,but I can't rationalize laziness either,and I LOVE being lazy.I DO love Graham's uniquely considered method!!

For those using Graham's method,don't get me wrong!!It's a very easy way to get set up "accurately",but this IS AUDIOGON!!!...Home of the "Exactitudinals"!

If anyone can come up with any way to guarantee the spindle-jig/arm-hole alignment method on a Phantom can be made to be as accurate as utilizing something like the MINT,I might be persuaded to shell out a nice orig. pressing "Merc" or "Decca" as a reward.I'm THAT lazy,these days!! -:)

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