Anybody try the Kef ls50s against the wall?
Monitor close to the wall to replace Allison 4s
I have to have speakers against the wall in my office, so I have the second edition Allison 4s (2002), which are pretty impressive speakers. I am bi-amping them with 2 TAD 60s with EL 34s and they sound very good, but I wonder if a newer generation of speaker, thinking of Joseph RM7XL, Kitty Kat Revelator, Harbeth P3 ESR, The Clue or any other suggestions, would give better resolution, transparency and imaging? Can I improve significantly on the Allison 4s with a budget of $2500? Thanks!
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Denis- they had a pair of Clue's for each channel, stacked one on top of each other, w a dedicated stand or spacer between the two, w the top speaker upside down so you got a quasi-D'Appolitto array. Woofer-tweeter-spacer-tweeter-woofer. They were set up on the long wall of a narrow hotel room, w two rows of seating about 8-10' away. I thought the sound was very dynamic w great PRAT. They are designed to be 2.5" or less from wall w significant toe in. |
"I am vertically bi-amping, one amp per speaker, so I could just double up the cables on each speaker. Any reason not to?"Yes, IMO, there are reasons not to. What you are referring to amounts to paralleling (aka monostrapping) the outputs of the two channels of each amplifier (i.e., connecting them directly together, through the speaker cables), with the same signal going into those two channels. As Yogiboy indicates, that is completely different than passive biamping, which is what you are presently doing with the Allisons (and which is what ElDartford refers to as dual-amping, to distinguish it from active biamping). Passive vertical biamping, as you are doing now, results in one amplifier channel supplying current and power essentially just at mid and high frequencies, and the other amplifier channel supplying current and power essentially just at low frequencies. Paralleling channels is completely different, and results in both channels supplying current and power at all of the frequencies that are contained in the music. Paralleling amplifier channels CAN be done with many tube amps (don't ever try it with a solid state amp!!!), and it can provide a considerable increase in power capability. But if things go wrong there are ways in which it can have very destructive results. And it is likely to produce very different sonic results than either passive or active biamping. And for good sonic results it would most likely necessitate changing which output taps on the amplifier are being used, and in some cases it may turn out that none of the available taps are optimal. See the post by Atmasphere dated 2-11-13 here, and the discussion by Atmasphere and me in this thread. I'll close by mentioning one conceivable scenario that to ME is sufficient reason in itself to avoid ever paralleling two amplifier channels: A small signal tube serving one channel of the amp fails, at some point in the future. You start playing music. One channel is trying to put many volts and watts into the speaker, while the other channel (with the dead tube) is trying to force the speaker's input to zero volts. The outputs of the two channels are, of course, connected directly together through the speaker cables in that situation. Ouch! Regards, -- Al |
Almarg, I am very grateful for your input because I DO seem to be paralleling currently, as I am biwiring - that is mixing the signal to both sets of speaker posts - and I should be separating the hi pass and low pass inputs on the speakers to avoid a disaster,it seems! I can do that as I have 4 runs of single cable. Do I understand you correctly? Thanks!!! |
Denis, if there are any connections between the high frequency and low frequency binding posts on the back of the speaker they should be removed. Speakers having separate pairs of binding posts for the high and low frequency sections of the speaker often come with a metal "jumper" that connects the two red terminals together, and another metal jumper connecting the two black terminals together. For biamping, those jumpers (or any wires that may be making similar connections) should be removed. If they are left in place, yes, you are paralleling. You are not biwiring, though, which involves the same kinds of connections as biamping at the speaker end (with the jumpers removed), but drives both sets of cables and both sections of the speaker from a single amplifier channel, rather than from separate amplifier channels. Regards, -- Al |
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