I had to put 500 hrs. on them and all of a sudden they went from a great speaker to one of the most satisfying and entertaining speakers that I have ever heard...Worth way more than the 11K retail.....but alot of just negative or jealous people on here.
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@tlittlefield @mbmi team Borresen, I own the X6 I bought it 2 months ago and I am really happy with the speaker however I am experiencing that the bass is not as deep as I though and I am wondering if it is the speaker, the electronics or the room? Maybe is that I am coming from Wilson Audio which has an addicting base Please share your comments For Borresen hatters let me say that hey launched a game changer speaker on the M series and from there they are updating all their lines. From outside seems confusing but think as 4 steps X, C, T and M and all are amazing and each series sounds better than the other. Off course not necessary the M would sound better than and X because system matters and M is not a forgiving speaker. You need the best of the best to make it sound good. So having 4 steps is good as you can find the right speaker for your system. If you want to upgrade they take 100% of value on your Borresen. Buying used equipment off course is an option too with all the risks involved. I don’t think there is wrong side, I don’t regret buying it new but I will also not against scoring a great deal on a used equipment, though I don’t see the market full of used Borresen soon |
@dave777.................I'm really into "music" and how life-life it is, coming out of a 2 channel hi-fi system...addressing your bass concern ( the purists will hate this but it works) Schiit Audio has a unit The Loki Mini @ $150. It's clean as a whistle and doesn't distort or affect the sound at all but will allow you to boost that bass slightly and take any harshness out of bad recordings.....try it, also when I added the Ansuz Mains 8 Power Box with the active Tesla Coils....wow , that was a difference maker...took the X3's to a totally different level of sound realism....Worth looking into. |
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Perhaps it was you who was “drinkin” since you completely misinterpreted my post, presumably due to a failure of reading it entirely. I did not claim that 30-year-old speaker(S) can compete with any $11K speaker manufactured today. I merely implied (quite coherently) that some flagship designs from yesteryear are still competitive with many modern designs when one adjusts for inflation. In fact, some brands have actually regressed in terms of objective performance. For example, some of the Focal and Revel designs of recent years actually measure worse than their predecessors in terms of linearity and distortion. Having owned over 35 pairs of speakers and having auditioned countless others, both modern and vintage, it’s my experience that most advancement had come in the form of inexpensive speakers generally performing better than in previous decades. But in terms of higher performance, go audition a flagship Spendor, Revel, or JM Lab from the 90s and compare them to their current flagships, and you might just begin to share my sentiment. My main point is that it’s typically fruitless to read into the marketing claims regarding a manufacturer’s allegedly disrupting tech. More often than not, that speaker tech/approach has been done before, sometimes decades earlier, by another manufacturer. Funny enough, I only returned to this thread because I recently acquired a pair of Borresen X3s. They are indeed a great speaker, especially at their street price (who really pays full retail anymore unless buying from an outlet like Crutchfield???). For the price I paid, I consider them a good value. Are they world-beaters or best of class? Honestly, of that I have doubts. They don’t do subwoofer-like bass extension, so right off the bat they have a shortcoming compared to some of my previous speakers, but overall they are quite enjoyable. Sound quality aside, in terms of outright build quality and finish, they are superior to much of the competition I’ve encountered in the same price range.
The problem with your argument regarding the frequency at which they release new models is that you mentioned completely different price brackets. The C series might be newer than the X series (though I believe that may be incorrect), however they are considerably pricier for like-sized models. From the prices I’ve researched, they have yet to release a series that significantly trespasses on their other like-sized models, nor made any particular series “obsolete.” Thus far, the few pair of X Series speakers I’ve seen on the secondhand market have retained their value better than most brands, especially considering most were bought new for less than MSRP. I was told there is something like a three-month backorder on the X series speakers, so allegedly the demand is high for the time being. I can sympathize with being bitter over a product’s poor resale value. It sucks when that happens. That’s why these days I tend to buy pre-owned speakers when possible. That’s really the only way to ensure one doesn’t take a bath down the line, even with brands that generally retain high resale value, it’s hard to predict the future of many specific models. I once bought a pre-owned, late-model Mac preamp thinking I’d be able easily flip it for little loss due to Mac’s typically good resale. Turned out that was mistake—I took a big hit on that piece because apparently that model in particular just doesn’t hold its value like other Macs, despite the fact it was/is in their current catalog. Regarding Raidho specifically, it’s my understanding that many of their speakers were very finicky about placement and gear synergy. Perhaps that was the real driver of their disappointing resale? Just a hypothesis. Or perhaps you paid retail or close to retail for a brand-new pair, when most buyers were getting better deals on their new pairs, and subsequently that was reflected in the resale market values? After all, I find it’s quite common to get as much as 25% off MSRP when buying products in these price ranges, often times without even having to request a discount. Not suggesting you definitely paid full retail, but if you did, that could account for some of the perceived value disparity.
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