Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

So @amir_asr feel better? Wow that took a lot for you. Did you take a nap? So you are making assumptions based on what you are reading on the internet and you do not know a single thing about me.

You did what you accused me of. Where is the science ?

Now what I do know about you is you have never posted your system or listening room. You have never posted the so called measurements for your room and system. Well not here anyway and I will not go on your site to help you secure donations from your minions.

I also know you are not an EE all you are is some guy with some software (that a member had to teach you how to use) and then you banished him from ASR. Yes that guy was over here saying all kinds of nice stuff about you and your lack of credentials.

So here we are back to that Elixir Salesmen (not the great Heed Integrated). That is you, a wagon peddler and the internet is your wagon and you con people to contribute to you.

When I bought my many systems I consulted professionals that came and measured (I am not anti measurements just anti shills and con men) setup gear and we did demos. We found what SOUNDED right in my home and that there was synergy in all the components across the entire chain, Acoustic treatments, cables, power, sources and amplification. Do you offer that type of service or do you just sell online? Would love to hear of some of your success stories from clients.

See when I am out of my element I do not throw cash at a problem I hire experts and get solutions. I may seek feedback form places like WBF and Agon but that is just part of my process.

I look at your expertise like those guys who claim to have served in the military, you know stolen valor.

You are not an expert, scientist, engineer or a respected reviewer. All my opinion. 

Please have a great evening and go play with your dog.

 

Why is it that people who have least amount of familiarity with audio science the ones that judge others to not have any such knowledge?  If I asked you how many research papers you have read the answer would be close to zero, right? If I asked you if you have any professional experience in audio, the answer would be zero, right?  If I asked you if you have ever had a mentor who knows audio science, the answer would be zero, right?

Why do you do this?  I answer: because audio science doesn't agree with what you have taught yourself from random individuals online, or improperly conducted listening test evaluations.  Show some emotional maturity in this regard.  Most of equipment I test at ASR forum come from members.  Out of the entire set of what I test, I only recommend about 1/3 of it.  The rest just don't perform.  Yet the people who send them to me are still happy to have done so and like the fact that they finally have some reliable data about their gear.  The move on with optimizing their system that way and routinely wind up with more performance at much less cost.

 

@amir_asr You are so full of crap!

Many retailers in this channel offer 60 and 90 day returns. No questions asked. Guess your business doesn't have the financial resources to put their money where their mouth is.

Just a few: Upscale, Music Direct, Audio Advisor, and on and on.

Cant run with the big dogs stay on the porch. 

17 If you can't run with the BIG DOGS you best stay on the ...

Think we just have a False Profit in you. 

 

Issues relating to false guarantees have become so common in the United States that the Federal Trade Commission has specifically addressed the issue in the Code of Federal Regulations Handbook (§ 239.1)."

 

@jerryg123

Now what I do know about you is you have never posted your system or listening room.

 

I seem to remember you posting on the very thread in which Amir’s system, with measurements, was indeed posted.

Here is is again:

 

 

You won’t visit ASR to gain accurate information about the person you are speaking about...yet you will nonetheless tell people about Amir’s credentials?

I’m afraid your posts against Amir seem full of sound and fury, and little else.

@amir_asr , I bought an audio product recently from Amazon and it had a 30 day return. I decided I would not keep it. I took it to a local store with a QR code which simply took the package, scanned the code, and that was it I got the refund the next day and didn't pay shipping, package it, nothing. 

This policy seems to work well for Amazon and its associated vendors and apparently customers too. 

@prof, thanks for posting this.

@amir_asr , can you confirm this is your actual room, system, measurements etc?

Any comments about it you want to share re: the specs/measurements that the manufacturer supplied?

If you want help or just want to discuss improving your FR I think this thread would be appropriate, feel free to join: