Neil Young calls out Tidal

I understand your point...

You seems a rational person...

I am a bit too passionate character...

I will not discuss your posts more...

Thanks 

@mahgister 

Whether someone is Vax or anti-vax, whether someone's had Covid or not...most people don't care. They certainly don't care to debate "alternative facts" when they hold the opposite or dissimilar views. I just don't share the "hair-on-fire" outrage that others seem to on either side of this issue.

For the record, I'm thrice vaccinated and I'm tired of masks too. I just don't get too wound up about anything other than trying to keep moving forward. I hold no ill will toward anyone who feels whatever they feel. I am weary of the same old futile "get off my lawn" arguments.

By the way i dont fear this virus at all after 2 times...

I lived through it... Some 1% died who catch it for sure...

This is a dangerous virus no question about that here it is not a flu...

But studying the reports world wide i am in fear right now, and terrified about the long term effects of the vaccines itself on health which begin to manifest world wide now......Only uninformed people dont know that...

NOBODY, no doctors even doctors of international reputation can speak about their discoveries of this negative very dangerous effect of the mRna vaccines ... Chicken brain here call them anti vaxxers thats all...

I dont post about that here because most people dont have a clue about anything they dont READ and study simply......It is like audio they upgrade because all people do it they dont study acoustic...

I posted ONLY about the forced MASSIVE insane undemocratic unscientific measure taken in north America like in Chinese dictatorship : confinement and imposed massive vaccinations... Instead of low cost preventive treatment which are all BANNED here, and vaccination targetting only at risk people...Instead of this sane course we imitated China...

But if you think that this virus was dangerous wait till the long term effects of this vaccines appear completely to sight... It is already manifesting but not ON OFFICIAL NEWS...

Guess why?

Calling top doctors making autopsies of dead vaccinated people deluded will not help here...

Calling the official report of US army false will not help either...

Calling all people who work but say the opposite of corporate paid puppets will not help either...

i prefer to trust nobel medecine Luc Montagnier than crook Fauci... A proven crook save for the american public deluded by the power of his news media . ...

A word of unsolicited advice, if you can't say it in 32 bars, then it ain't worth saying.  Of to put it another way -- "I'd write a shorter letter if I had more time."

Make Audiogon friendly again!

Yes he have the right to do so...

But why calling for censorship instead of only saying his opinion ? this is the matter...

Neil Young is too stupid to debate and critic Rogan and his interviewed scientists?

Why did he never discuss WHY they are allegedly  misinformed?

Why?

Because he is a sleepwalker unable to understand anything...

Freedom to speak dont excuse speaking about censorship of free voices and calling for it sorry...

@mahgister Neil Young has the right to speak his mind as much as Joe Rogan or you or I. I’m unconcerned what either Neil or Joe have to say.

@mahgister Neil Young has the right to speak his mind as much as Joe Rogan or you or I. I'm unconcerned what either Neil or Joe have to say.

Here respectfully you lie by omission...

The essential fact is not for Neil Young the right to keep or retire his music...He could have done so in another way...His intention was CENSORING appeal against Rogan free voice and top world scientists opinion ...

the essential fact IS  his PUBLIC claim about misinformation accusation  and his appeal to ban Joe Rogan by setting a public example with his action... It is not a contract freedom right at all here the problem...

I am outraged by the general censorship everywhere...You dont even see it at all... WHY ?

I’m merely saying Neil Young said to Spotify "Take down my stuff if this is OK with you".

@mahgister respectfully, just because you want THIS situation to be more than what it is doesn't make it so. I'm not saying you don't have a right to be outraged at all of the things that outrage you, I'm merely saying Neil Young said to Spotify "Take down my stuff if this is OK with you". If I were CEO of Spotify, I would have said "OK". Not because I believe in Joe Rogan but because I believe it isn't Neil Young's place. Young has a right to not be on the platform, honorably so. Spotify has a right to say no thank you, honorably so. This just isnt a big deal.

You point is completely wrong...Not it is not wrong it is worst than that, your point is an half truth than worst than a lie...

So beside the point that if you dont know why you are unable to understand anything in this crisis...

It can’t be censorship unless its the government censoring

Why do you think there is universal ban over anyone who ever spoke against basic low cost treatment not only in official news media but by all big tech corporation likegoogle, tweeter and the like? Corporations has the right now to decide about truth?

Do you live in a Walt Disney World of your own ?

The US is all about censorship, open your TV set please...And think... Why do you think it is so?

not because Biden order it at all it is because those who are behind the wheel are the big corporations...Biden is a puppet, like Trudeau, like Marcon ...Xi is not a puppet nor Putin they are dictators...There is no democracy in an oligarchy corporate direction of the North america....Why do you think all vaccinated Truckers in canada are protesting?

Neil Young falsely accusing of misinformation top world renown scientists is one thing , but appealing to ban any site who will give them a voice because Neil Young said so is another thing completely...

What is the matter here has nothing to do with the right of Neil Young to keep or retire his music from spotify NOTHING at all...Nothing to do with contract right...

Are you able to understand these simple facts?

In this case, its a contractual dispute between parties

@mahgister 

There is a reason why i rant....In this Senile Neil Young thread about censorship....

It can't be censorship unless its the government censoring. In this case, its a contractual dispute between parties. Simple...Spotify can comply or not, Neil Young can withdraw his music or not. Its just not a big deal.

Yes you are right...At first glance it seems so indeed... This is an audio forum...

But we have an excuse : democracy, freedom a world wide crisis a fascist orientation of democracies ... is it not enough to be mad?

Do yo have the minimal emotional intelligence to be wise enough and not rant against  ranting people you consider mad?

Change thread if you are so disturbed... is it not simple? Or are you a ranting children with no motives to rant at all save annoying concerned people here?

There is a reason why i rant....In this Senile Neil Young thread about censorship....

I’m whining because a few of you rant and rant and rant and rant and rant and then rant some more. Do you not have the emotional intelligence to know what’s appropriate and what’s not?

The World Health Organization’s European chief has cautioned against implementing coronavirus vaccine mandates, unless every other feasible option has been tried to convince people to get jabbed.

Hans Kluge, WHO regional director for Europe, said that countries shouldn’t mandate vaccination unless they had first reached out to communities. “Mandates around vaccination are an absolute last resort and only applicable when all other feasible options to improve vaccination uptake have been exhausted.”

So the WHO has signalled forced vaccinations are coming, now what happens to people that still refuse? To people that are still holding out, the only thing we can hope for is that a big enough portion of the public wakes up and stop this from happening. 

As much as I love Hi-Fi Audio, my sound system... I care more about my freedoms and bodily autonomy. I'll leave this thread to others, I've said everything I wanted to say 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤

I'm whining because a few of you rant and rant and rant and rant and rant and then rant some more.  Do you not have the emotional intelligence to know what's appropriate and what's not?

Hey, maybe I'm wrong and anything important should be discussed here.  Alright, do you think Jalen Ramsey can cover JaMarr Chase?  Let's have 3,000 posts about that.  The Super Bowl is at stake!

The non vaccinated are not the jews...

The corporations who are the true non elected authorities behind all this with all bought politicians are not the nazis...

the differences between vaccinates and non vaccinated had little to do with distinction between "genuine" germans and jews for sure then speaking about the holocaust is meaningless...

Then dont speak about the holocaust here please....

But when it is said...

Fascism is defined to be the amalgamation of politic with corporate power , and we live in fascists countries in France , in Canada, And in the Us right now..

No proof needed at all... It is so evident they dont mask it....I will not even try to explaining that because if someone is so ill informed to contest that it is useless to speak with him...

You cannot argue with ostrichs politic stances...

Why do you think Puppet Trudeau bought 400 millions of dose for 40 millions of canadians?

Because he make personal profit about it and detain personal portfolio of actions in pharmaceuticals and they are other reason also....Guess which they are?

@kitechaser 

I also mean no ill will...you are obviously intelligent and, as such, you would show a great deal of character choosing other ways than using the Holocaust and the plight of Jews to communicate your message.

@ghasley and I am very glad that you not supporting this stuff, I mean no personal slight to you, any whatsoever, but my concern for this situation is not me conjuring up outrage. i really feel this way 🙏🙏🙏🙏

@ghasley again agree to disagree. 

I see the house as being on fire, from my point of view we as a people are at that precipice and the situation is that bleak. 

What if I told you the CDC has plans to forcibly abduct unvaccinated Americans from their homes to place them in internment camps, what would you say?

Too far fetched, crazy, in no way possible?

Well read to yourself

@kitechaser you have misunderstood my position. I am not arguing for nor against Neil Young, Joe Rogan, Spotify nor am I advocating for or against vaccination nor mandates.

I am, however, emphatically stating that your continued hijacking of the Holocaust and the sacred symbols associated with it that you have used to attempt to make your points are in poor form, poor taste, they are insensitive at best and likely result in the inverse of your intended purpose. The occasional requirement to wear a mask while you are picking up a bag of chips does not equate to the Holocaust. Please, please....it isn't the kind of historical moment where there are paralells to compare.

@ghasley well agree to disagree.

History will not be kind to the people that are going along with the creation of this apartheid state, and you are right there in the middle of this arguing for it. 

The proof is in the pudding as they say 

@mapman please stop with the gaslighting, you want to mandate this vaccine on me..... not the other way around.

No I don’t.

Move on now please.  Your paranoia is showing and it's not a good look.

@kitechaser 

and its pretty ironic that I know more about your people’s history than you do. If anything you should be against these mandates even more than I am.

That's unfair and untrue for you to say that. 

@ghasley this is a historical document archived by a "JEWISH ORGANIZATION"

I am free to post it, or use it in any context that I see fit.

The Nazi treatment of the Jewish people by labeling them as diseased is very applicable here. History repeats itself...

and its pretty ironic that I know more about your people’s history than you do. If anything you should be against these mandates even more than I am.

@mapman please stop with the gaslighting, you want to mandate this vaccine on me..... not the other way around. 

you do you, leave me to make my own decisions about "MY" health.

It is a worldwide crisis... There will be others crisis after this one...Yes but saying that is saying nothing at all...

Democacry versus corporate power is at stake here ...Nothing less..

@mahgister how are you my friend?

i am friend with everyone here if he want to also, why not?

I discuss with mapman for example and we dont have the same opinion but i consider it a friend... All friends are not roomates...All of my friends dont think the same as me...

And yes we cannot discuss with people interested only by audio upgrade in this crisis...

And yes i am completely foollish to do so mapman...

But stop calling others misinformed it is evident you dont have read anything about this crisis save Dr Fauci opinions...

i Prefer to be a fool than to be an ostrich...

@kitechaser then go find some other experts for you to listen to.   More power to you!   Just please keep others out of it.  It's called minding your own business.

The experts have been wrong about everything

Mandates have to go immediately 

Let’s all move on.

Agree.  That has been my point all along.  

So done finally ....I hope.

@mapman you are fanning the flames. 
 

Let’s all move on. 
 

Norway has the right idea….

@mapman well said +1

Yes there has been a crisis. It’s called a pandemic with millions dead worldwide. Some cannot even agree on that probably.

People railing about the ramifications here is not a help. An audio forum is not a reliable source of health information.

Why are people so concerned about being fed misinformation so willing to perhaps serve it up as well? Misinformation + misinformation = more misinformation.

So go argue this point somewhere suitable if not afraid of confronting other experts. There are non of those here at least non so foolish as to waste time trying to convince a bunch of hifi guys that they are.

Cheers!

@mahgister how are you my friend?

Why are you here complaining?

Neil Young = censorship appeal...

Is it not enough?

There is a worldwide crisis and you think about speaking abourt audio all the time and only about that?

In 20 years, the past couple of years will be but another data point...it is not a crisis in the macro sense. Of course, if you've lost loved ones (I have) it can seem like one but a rational mind such as yours can see down the road.

They are plenty of threads here where nobody talk about these critical matters...

Why are you here complaining?

Neil Young = censorship appeal...

Is it not enough?

There is a worldwide crisis and you think about speaking  audio all the time and only about that?

Why not respecting the many people who are also concerned, and why the unconcerned dont go to an another thread about "important audio matter upgrade" ?

Why whining ?

Too ignorant to be concerned?

And what does any of this have to do with audio or music? Aren’t there more appropriate platforms for your "thoughts"?

In a nuclear war you will think about an upgrade?

And what does any of this have to do with audio or music?  Aren't there more appropriate platforms for your "thoughts"?

There is no democracy nor science fact ruling in canada for the last 2 years...

Fear rule and corporate dictum...

It is the same in the US...

NO DEMOCRACY at all....we will be like china in few years if we dont protest against corporations ruling OVER the laws and over science... Anyway medical science exist no more...They are bought....And the true unbought scientists are censored and some say it is a tempest in a glass of water...This is a PROVEN fact by the way not my opinion...If you dont know that you know nothing...I can prove it if someone is ignorant and back it by a former director of the greatest medical journal in the world is it enough?

If it is not wearing blinders or keeping his head in the sand i dont know what it is....

I didn’t say it was perfect!   Far from it.  Money rules always. But there is power in numbers and checks and balances. If one is not happy where they live, there are many other options. At least in the USA. Nobody has to live in NYC the most densely populated place in the country. THere is always Hooterville and everyplace in between. Some places way more popular than others though the pendulum is always swinging.

@kitechaser 

So, does that mean non-communists killed all the others?

No one claimed a monopoly on human suffering...you are the one introducing it into a conversation where an artist of marginal importance took a stand against what he believed to be a wrong and another "artist" of marginal importance took it in stride and apologized. The marginally important streaming service then doused the fire with water it shouldn’t be a "thing" anymore.

Why are you so angry and quick to snark? About the "thing" itself or your right to hijack a very dark period for a particular purpose.

Excuse me but your argument is ridiculous here for many reasons...

Electing someone who work hard to be elected is not a proof that you are in a democracy...

There is no check or balance more powerful than corporate lobbies in US... NONE...Corporate lobby decide they own the information too and control it like in this Vaccines hysteria...

And Fauci is a despot and he never have total control save in medical research science for 40 years...this is PROVEN fact...

Things are not like your Disney World vision of the US... Sorry...

@mahgister true some up there maybe most are driven by power and money and all those things that many crave. But in USA they also have to get elected to attain that power. That is part of teh checks and balances. As long as those are in place, it will all work out in the end. Otherwise, if say a despot gains total control, then we are in trouble. It happens. We’ve all seen it attempt to play out in public view here in recent years. Don’t let it! Don’t let fear be the motivating force. They call it the Dark side for a reason. Cheers!

@mahgister true some up there maybe most are driven by power and money and all those things that many crave. But in USA they also have to get elected to attain that power. That is part of teh checks and balances. As long as those are in place, it will all work out in the end. Otherwise, if say a despot gains total control, then we are in trouble. It happens. We’ve all seen it attempt to play out in public view here in recent years. Don’t let it! Don’t let fear be the motivating force. They call it the Dark side for a reason. Cheers!

250 million people have been killed worldwide by communist regimes in this last century. Like I said, no one people have a monopoly on human suffering.

Or 🚂🚂🚂s

And yet another Audiogon thread headed the same way as its' predecessors..

@ghasley +1

For a while there, the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike were unfortunately being placed into temporary morgues, however, as a member of the tribe, your "trains" example is a dog whistle and offensive.

i am glad to say that you are right blaming people to be stupid is itself a stupidity...

i am not perfect in the fire of a discussion...

But you are wrong about a point :those who TRULY are at the high level of power are psychopaths...being at the high level of power is their goal in life...

if you dont read and study about psychopaths you will not know why it is so...I cannot enter into this matter here...

Very intelligent people DONT RUN THE SHOW ever and dont wanted to generally ...

Geniuses create they dont give a dam about power...Autistic and asperger people and very talented people create and need their free time to create more ...Psychopath cannot create and dont want...Guess why if you know what a psychopath is ? It is because their goal is controlling everything around them it takes all their time... Their only LONG TERM goal is control and it is ALSO their first short term goal , control... And psychopath own a very low level of fear....They aremade to be leader willing it or not because they can eliminate any more competent but less psychpathic competition...They own no remorse...

By the way psychopath are not all also sociopaths... most psychopaths will never be direct murderers and are not all heavy violent...Corporate leaders a great % of them are psychopaths which seems to lead normal life...read science book about psychopaths easy to verify...

 there is 3 % of psychopaths in the population... And probably 25 % of corporate leaders are psychopaths at least...Because there exist a direct link between leadership ambition and this pathology of the mind...

50% of people are in fact smarter than the average bear and harder to fool.

50% not so much

Smart people tend to rule. Some are honest, some less so.

Blaming where we are on people being stupid is not a rational argument. Some of those people are probably even smarter than any of us. Plus some have access to ALL the data. We don’t.

Just saying. Rant on but would prefer you get some rest and get back to normal first.

@kitechaser 

@kitechaser 

 

At what point do they start loading the unvaccinated onto trains?

 

For a while there, the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike were unfortunately being placed into temporary morgues, however, as a member of the tribe, your "trains" example is a dog whistle and offensive.

@ghasley your people don't have a monopoly on human suffering or extermination camps. So please miss me with your concern trolling

You've got me mixed up with someone else....I'm not telling anyone to do anything....get a vax, don't get a vax, I'm ambivalent because understanding human behavior renders many conversations moot.

I'm not even sure what it means or why/if "concern trolling" is a thing. My very limited experience with some people who, when implying the potential (paranoid) loss of privilege or their worthiness/right to a particular behavior have to go "there" when they know full well what "trains" means to the many who lost relatives in the Holocaust. You don't think that cloud on the horizon that many see isn't real? When a church or a synagogue is attacked? You would be hard pressed to point to a time in human history where a larger group was murdered in such a short time solely because of how they worship. Certainly the indigenous peoples around the world could make a case....

If I somehow offended you for pointing out that you were (accidentally or otherwise)  saying offensive things then I'm not sure where we go from here. You either recognize it or you don't. Regarding your comment about ""your people" not having a monopoly on human suffering or extermination camps"...that's a circumstance that no one should wish on others.

@kitechaser nobody has the right to inflict harm or injury on another. Does not matter what you or I think. That’s a fact! We all have the right to make the rules as they regard to "our house" a figurative term. Can mean house, place of business, public place, municipality, you name it. Those in charge make the rules. You don’t like it, take it up with them.  If it doesn't happen maybe move elsewhere.   If you are asking for something reasonable someone out there will listen.  That's why diversity is good.     Just don't rail on and on an audio forum.  It's not just all about you or me or anyone.    Cheers!

@mahgister

50% of people are in fact smarter than the average bear and harder to fool.

50% not so much

Smart people tend to rule. Some are honest, some less so.

Blaming where we are on people being stupid is not a rational argument. Some of those people are probably even smarter than any of us. Plus some have access to ALL the data. We don’t.

Just saying. Rant on but would prefer you get some rest and get back to normal first.

These people redefine all your Rights as  Privilege and then gaslight you when you speak up. The very definition of Orwellian 

A point which is evident for me because i made an extensive research for 6 months is the degree of ignorance about the UNTESTED and potential very high risks of this mRNA vaccines not only at short term with negative adverse events but LONG term on the population...

Not one here speaking about vaccinated ALL people MASSIVELY even the young and the pregant women,  seems to know that at all and taking that into account ...

Astounding level of ignorance...

But No official news media spoke about that... I am retired and i have the time to do some research ...

People are easy to fool, they will believe anything which is believed by the majority of people around them... It is normal, but when this faith collide with delicate matter that does not work... What the majority believe in has nothing do do with science ...

And there is no consensus in science but DEBATES...but here about covid we have on the right experts PAID by corporations and experts FREE of any links who spoke freely... it is easy to see which are the truest...

If you censor debates like senile Neil Young did you destroy science and freedom...

Is it difficult to understand a thing so simple?