New Dedicated Line - Almost No improvement


Hello,

Newbie here and electrical idiot. Just moved to a new to us house in Tampa. Before we moved in I had an electrician put in a dedicated line (has it's own breaker switch) which is 10 gauge and two Furutech GTX-D outlets - Rhodium.

When I hooked up the EMI meter in my old house, which didn't have a dedicated line, the reading was usually around 26 or so IIRC. At the new house the outlets are 89 usually and the dedicated line is usually around 82 - so not much help for the cost of the "project" and pretty noisy.

Also, when the ac /hvac is running the meter reads about 100 points higher (!) for both the regular outlets and the dedicated Furutechs. Not good.

Thoughts? Does the dedicated line need it's own breaker box? 

I'm also considering a line conditioner but wanted to see what could be done here. Thanks.

laynes

From Bill Whitlock,  (https://www.prosoundweb.com/author/bill-whitlock/)

 

"In reality, most of the reports of fantastic noise reduction attributed to earth ground rods are actually the result of the separation of various ground wires and their connection to a single point. It is the separation of the ground current paths that eliminates the common-impedance coupling of noise from noisy equipment into quiet equipment. It is extremely rare for an additional earth ground connection to solve a noise problem."

Fact!
Mother earth does not possess some magical mystical power that sucks nasties from an audio system.


Grounding Myths

"Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineering" by Henry Ott

3.1.7 Grounding Myths

More myths exist relating to the field of grounding than any other area of electrical engineering. The more common of these are as follows:

1. The earth is a low-impedance path for ground current. False, the impedance of the earth is orders of magnitude greater than the impedance of a copper conductor.

2. The earth is an equipotential. False, this is clearly not true by the result of (1 above).

3. The impedance of a conductor is determined by its resistance. False, what happened to the concept of inductive reactance?

4. To operate with low noise, a circuit or system must be connected to an earth ground. False, because airplanes, satellites, cars and battery powered laptop computers all operate fine without a ground connection. As a mater of fact, an earth ground is more likely to be the cause of noise problem. More electronic system noise problems are resolved by removing (or isolating) a circuit from earth ground than by connecting it to earth ground.

5. To reduce noise, an electronic system should be connected to a separate “quiet ground” by using a separate, isolated ground rod. False, in addition to being untrue, this approach is dangerous and violates the requirements of the NEC (electrical code/rules).

6. An earth ground is unidirectional, with current only flowing into the ground. False, because current must flow in loops, any current that flows into the ground must also flow out of the ground somewhere else.

7. An isolated AC power receptacle is not grounded. False, the term “isolated” refers only to the method by which a receptacle is grounded, not if it is grounded.

8. A system designer can name ground conductors by the type of the current that they should carry (i.e., signal, power, lightning, digital, analog, quiet, noisy, etc.), and the electrons will comply and only flow in the appropriately designated conductors. Obviously false."

Henry W. Ott

My ground rod is bigger than your ground rod.😁 Fact. In the interest of getting the best, most consistent ground, I used the 25 ft long/deep iron drill pipe for my water well. Damned thing is very thick, and hard to drill a hole for the bolt used to connect the copper wire to. Now it is a done deal, and I don’t worry about having a good enough AC ground for my panel.

 And yes, it is only a couple of feet from the electrical panel.

@jea48 , while I agree in principle that an earth ground connection is generally not the cause of noise, it is not always not the cause, and when one considers emitted EMI, it can be critical. The earth ground connection (in theory) holds the metal in the equipment, cable shields, etc. to the same potential as earth, but we can call it a ground plane. Now as noted, that connection is more than just cable resistance, it is also impedance. If you remove the earth ground connection, then all the metal floats, and it floats in comparison to earth ground, which means you have a capacitor to earth ground and a "new" path for EMI that you would not have if connected to earth ground. This will never be an issue at analog audio frequencies, but it can be an issue at higher frequencies even with the higher impedance to earth ground.

 

You know what is really foolish? Those ground boxes filled with dirt that don't connect to anything.

@lowrider57   I think the grounding issue has assumed a life of its own, per the above comments.  I used 1/2 or 5/8 solid copper pipe (not an iron/copper grounding rod., 6 feet long. We drilled straight down, hammered the rod in and then filled the hole with a high-clay content soil. Was told this clay compound would help with grounding and conductivity. I was skeptical, but for the additional $15, I wasn't going to argue that point.  

My point really is there are many factors to consider with stable, clean power to the audio room. I didn't want to inadvertently omit one thing that might render all the other work wasted.  And as pointed out, we are still at the mercy of the grid.