new member, some questions, need help please


Hi, my name is Jaime.  I've been lurking this site more intensely over the past few months as i'm at the end of my career and would like to assemble a very nice, better than mediocre equipment and listening environment.  I was heavily into audio and considered myself an novice audiophile for a few year back in circa 1988.  Got into med school, married, children, mortgage, fast cars, fine wines and, well, you know how it goes thereafter.  fast forward onto the current epoch, a few lbs heavier, tinnitus in one ear and still have the bug and still covet some equipment that I could not afford back then.  Well, don't hear too much of Mark Levinson, Wilson Audio is still around, cassette player are out (remember Nakamichi :-) ), now there's so much digital this and digital that, servers, streamers.... I've got much to learn.  But, for now, I just have one question regarding one piece of the audio chain...... speakers

I've alway wanted to own Wilson Watt puppy ever since I first heard them in 1990 paired with Jadis amp and preamp.  Wow, still remember back then the music was palpable and haunting (remember i was and still am a novice).  I"d like to return to Watt puppy and a great amp, but here's my question:  Specifically regarding Watt puppy series 8..... are they too old to be meaningful in 2024? Do speakers lose their magic to an extent that renders them less capable to a significant extent after 15-18 years (assuming proper physical condition condition for their age) or do they still have enduring quality sound after all these years?  I know that my ears and temporal lobes of my brain ultimately have to please me, but I do have to start somewhere with some knowledge moving forward, hence my ask for help.. thank you very much in advance.

Jaime

jaimeromero

Regarding your general question of whether or not speakers from 30 years ago still hold up today I can lend a perspective. I have a pair of Thiel CS6 speakers powered by a Krell KSA 300s that date from the mid 90's. I've been to 3 audio shows and I can testify that my system easily holds up to most every system I've heard under 6 figures. I've heard several systems that didn't sound as good as mine where the cables cost more than my entire rig.

I have also observed that the sound quality of speakers have become more similar relative to price. In other words, the difference between $100k speakes and $15k speakers is not as much as you would think. My overall advice is to go to an audio show or two and reconnect with the hobby. You may find that there are wonderful speaker choices that are affordable and that don't have the age related issues that older speakers could have. But if you have your heart set on a pair of WP's I don't think you will be far off the state of the art.

I didn’t think much of older speakers until I got a 20 year old and then a 40 year old. They both beat my 2 year old Evoke 20s

 

the difference between $100k speakes and $15k

I am pretty sure it's that last 10%

Same as between a 3K speaker and 15K speaker

Danny from GR Research has some very illuminating YouTube videos about the subject of speakers, parts and design. He has opened up some expensive speakers and often been surprised/disappointed by what he has found inside and the measurements of the speakers. It’s always good to do homework and it’s not always how much more money you spend….

I remember my first Wilson Audio experience and understand your interest. If you are on the east coast of the US then the upcoming Capital Audiofest outside of Washington DC this November is highly recommended. The WattPuppy line did seem to mature into the Sasha’s and there is improvement between the 1,2, and DAW versions though one has to consider the price differences. Your room size should also be considered. A smaller room might lead you to look at the smaller Wilson Sabrina X. An audio show would allow you some time to hear many brand and size choices, though they certainly do not represent a fully optimized setup when in a hotel room. I like the Wilson sound, but like @ronboco I love my Rockports.

I think if you can go out and listen, you will find that the Watt Puppies have been eclipsed in their price range. I audition but can't afford... I'm a window shopper when it comes to a certain price point. I settled on the used Maggie 1.7i, and am about to buy a pair of "bass" panels, but for what the majority of my listening (big band, bop, free jazz, fusion, prog rock, avante garde, experimental, jazz vocalists, and 60's psychedelic) the 1,7i has been great. Hard rockers won't be satisfied with the bass response. Don't throw out the quality cassette deck, in my world there are still artists that release primarily on cassette, and CD, and are sometimes hard to find on streaming platforms because those artists self release and there's no corporate level $$$...