new member, some questions, need help please


Hi, my name is Jaime.  I've been lurking this site more intensely over the past few months as i'm at the end of my career and would like to assemble a very nice, better than mediocre equipment and listening environment.  I was heavily into audio and considered myself an novice audiophile for a few year back in circa 1988.  Got into med school, married, children, mortgage, fast cars, fine wines and, well, you know how it goes thereafter.  fast forward onto the current epoch, a few lbs heavier, tinnitus in one ear and still have the bug and still covet some equipment that I could not afford back then.  Well, don't hear too much of Mark Levinson, Wilson Audio is still around, cassette player are out (remember Nakamichi :-) ), now there's so much digital this and digital that, servers, streamers.... I've got much to learn.  But, for now, I just have one question regarding one piece of the audio chain...... speakers

I've alway wanted to own Wilson Watt puppy ever since I first heard them in 1990 paired with Jadis amp and preamp.  Wow, still remember back then the music was palpable and haunting (remember i was and still am a novice).  I"d like to return to Watt puppy and a great amp, but here's my question:  Specifically regarding Watt puppy series 8..... are they too old to be meaningful in 2024? Do speakers lose their magic to an extent that renders them less capable to a significant extent after 15-18 years (assuming proper physical condition condition for their age) or do they still have enduring quality sound after all these years?  I know that my ears and temporal lobes of my brain ultimately have to please me, but I do have to start somewhere with some knowledge moving forward, hence my ask for help.. thank you very much in advance.

Jaime

jaimeromero

@jaimeromero at (what i think is) the price of used Sasha 2 you should look into some of the new offerings out there.

I like planar drivers and had a brief listen to some PS Audio FR 20 and they are very nice.  Worth a test.

Moving to SoCal, you should stop in Sacramento and visit the vintage store there.  They have a lot of cool vintage components and speakers.

 

@jaimeromero - agree that demoing speakers best course of action as there have been sonic improvements in high-end audio since the old WP. We cannot tell what speakers would subjectively resonate with you.

Starting from scratch, I researched the latest top loudspeakers, then tried to demo them at audio shows and audio stores, keeping in mind that poor audio show rooms often make the speaker perform subpar. After finding the sound I favor, I try to reproduce at home within budget.

Wilson also offers a new 2024 WP with iirc similar drivers as the Sasha V.  Personally, I never warmed up to the Wilson sound presentation, my tastes run top Magico and YG speakers.  I ended up purchasing the AXPONA audio show demo speakers Vimberg Mino D - they sounded fantastic. 

@jaimeromero ,

Welcome back to the hobby.  A mixed bag of advice on this forum.  I have been into audio for a similar amount of time.  Some has stayed the same, a lot has changed and most confusingly, some brands that were great are less so today.  

If you have time and patience, I would recommend coming to Axpona in Chicago, mid-April. Quintessence Audio (which was mentioned earlier) is a fantastic dealer and carries Wilson here in Chicago area.  As you will find out Wilson speakers now range new from $20K to $1M and are really excellent as are some of the others mentioned on the thread; i.e. Magico, Sonus Faber and others.  Yes, digital is a completely different realm than in the 80’s (separate DAC’s, streamers, etc.) and can be quite good but analogue is still also doing great.   Quintessence has both.  Other stores I’m familiar with that are in southern CA are Scott Walker Audio and Alma Audio (a new Wilson dealer).  My strongest recommendation is to find a store that you feel you can trust and will patiently work with you as you explore what is now available and start to define your wants/needs and most importantly—budget!

 I have friends that have assembled really musical systems for <$20K and friends that have systems that are $1M+. Mine is somewhere in the middle.  Nice if you can network into a group of friends that are knowledgeable without being “know it alls”.  

If you do come to a big audio show, one thing you will quickly realize is that most of the crappy stuff is gone.  The general level of equipment has improved.  There are many good-great options.  But within that reality, the best costs the most… or at least a lot.  

The final point I would make is that the cost of your primary components: source, pre-amp (if you’re using), amp (or integrated amp and speakers) is not the end of the story.  Cables, racks, power supplies/conditioners, isolation devices, room treatments, etc. can easily cost more than the basic equipment.  Make sure when you start to build your system, that you factor in the auxiliaries.  

Good luck in your journey and have fun!

My speakers were built in 1956.

I have been listening to them for 47 years.

For the first two and a half decades, I would come down with a case of FOMO fever about every 5 years or so and go running around listening to stuff I could afford, and stuff I couldn’t. Eventually my immune system built up and I haven’t been doing that anymore.

Every 15 years I get the speakers remagnitized and reconed.

I’m kinda locked into them because my amps love them.

They have their issues but I’ve adjusted other parts of the system to get the sound I want. It’s a late 60s to mid 70s tube sound. It’s not for everybody but it’s not without its subtleties, it’s extraordinarily transparent and detailed (likely thanks to the amps and the cartridge) almost everyone who hears it is blown away, say things like “It’s better than being there”.

So I disagree with many here: all other things equal, newer is not necessarily better. Listen to a bunch of stuff with closed eyes and an open mind. Pick what sounds best. To YOU.

Btw, expensive isn’t necessarily best either. I’ve been tube rolling my phono stage. I’ve been listening to tubes that go from $50 to $500. The guy selling me the tubes was with me in the room trying them out. He suggested that the $50 tube sounded best in my system. That was a relief to hear because I thought it definitely did too but I didn’t trust myself: I thought it was my wallet talking to me.

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