thanks for the reponse,,I ended up with a 3 month old prima one ,and I like it very much over my previous 25 watt tube intergarted ,,but I was wondering about tubes,,I am sure this thing can sound better then eh 12 ax7 in the front,,I had telefunken 12 ax7 and when i plopped that tube into the mix i found a more musical sound,that is in my previous amp,,,so I spoke to kevin,,he said give it a while with stock tubes but he likes ge 12ax7 long plate tubes with mullards el34's,,anybody out there let me know what you tried,,