Nuforce


I read the ad... has anybody tried the NuForce products?
hockeydad
I am happy with Nuforce's policy. I am happy that the market is 'buyer beware' unless there have been misrepresentations. I am happy with the Nuforce amps I have and I am upgrading to some new Nuforce amps.

I also appreciate that it is tough being a new guy where you have to pay the bills by selling what you've got, rather than wait till the next round of R&D is spent.

I can understand all that.

Just remember the customer is always right about how he feels about a firm, product or service. He may not be right about the facts, and he may not be listening to you when you tell him the facts, but he is the one that is right, because his decision to buy from you is based on his views, not the vendor's. And he is always right about how he feels.

There is no doubt that Nuforce's teething problems have impacted how customers feel about buying a Nuforce amp. The justifications or rationalisations from Nuforce or its dealers don't change any of that much at all. The upfront nature of Jason at forums here can change things, and I hope already is.

Some of us just need to put it down to experience that a new product from a previously unheard of firm is not likely to have a fully-developed product at its first outing. There are no rules that say they must have a fully developed product either.

Some of us just need to listen to the voice of the customer and understand that the emotions behind the words are driven by real (and always right) feelings about the product or service experience or about the pride, or otherwise, of ownership. And the fact that you know the expressed facts are wrong doesn't change that.

For all the positives about the intrinsic product, the perceived failings are real because customers feel them. That's just the way it is, and if you don't accept it, you may not deserve to have customers. Of course those dopey customers are wrong about how it really happened - you only have to be in business to know that will always be the case. But the only reality that matters is how it occurs to your customers. Be thankful your customers still use your amps, upgrade them and are still interested enough to let you know what they are feeling on this and other forums.
I believe that the future of audio power amps lies with use of prepackaged modules such as ICE or UcD (especially the latter). These modules are intended for application not only in many brands of audiophile equipment but also in Pro Sound and other audio arenas. Because the market is so broad it can support extensive R&D and volume production which leads to low cost without quality impact. And, because of the volume, any bugs get quickly found and fixed.

In the military electronics field wherre I worked for more than 20 years we used to design all our own stuff. No more. Nowadays we mostly use commercial designs, sometimes modified for any unique requirements of the military application. Not only is this a lot cheaper (good for the poor taxpayer) but we have to admit that commercial "off the shelf" electronics are almost always superior in performance to what we could do. This should be no surprise. Think how many millions of dollars TI, Intel, AMD, can invest in the design and development of, for example, a microprocessor. Our volume requirement for an "end of life" production run is typically measured in the hundreds.

A "roll your own" design approach such as used by Nuforce makes for interesting technical work, but perhaps is a commercial dead end. Good thing this audio business is a hobby!
Eldartford, I think your comments amount to nothing more than a lot of very premature conjecture. Personally I believe the true color of the universe is Antique Rose Copper, but then, I could be wrong too. LOL !
I agree with audiofankj. The Nuforce won't power my speakers, so I won't be the one to put it to the test against other class D amps. By and By, someone will. Audio Circles has a guy who was planning on doing that, but Nuforce backed out.
Wow, no kidding, NuForce backed out... They must be really scared!

Hey, I'll tell you what Muralman, why don't you get your buddy Henry Ho to send me a pair of his best H20 amps and I'll review them along with the NuForce Reference 9SE amps I'll be getting soon... Or you can always send me your own amps for a few weeks if you're interested. I'll have the review and results published -- so the world can read all about it.

Sound good???
Frank