Ocellia speakers and power

I think both makers are experts at their chosen craft. Yes, more public info on Ocellia. But Tony is honestly a magic-maker and really, really knows what he's doing with those cabinets too. Also, the integration with the ribbon tweeter, even on the lower models (actually I've only heard the lower models), is so good it's also amazing. It's just seamless. There are only a handful of speakers I personally would gush about like this... everyone's MMV.

I have the Tonian TL-D1s and have heard Tony demo the 12.1s and they are simply wonderful. All I would ever need. As happy and content as I am, I'd love to have the 12.1s but my wallet can not accommodate.
Tony can answer any questions you have.

Can anyone tell me the sonic differences between the 8" PHY driver vs. the 12" version?

The 8" seems a bit faster, and the 12" has more bass.

Thanks. Would you say the 12 inch would not require a sub whereas the 8" would?