OPamps still inferior to discrete circuits?

Chris - This is difficult to answer. Example of Capri shows what is possible. The real question is what you can buy for the difference. It might be better to buy Capri for $3,500 instead of discrete preamp for $10k and spend $7k more on speakers. Benchmark DAC1 praised by many uses $0.50 opamps (NE5532).
I agree with you that it might be better to get discrete circuit if money is no object but even then you might not beat opamps in offset drift to eliminate caps from the signal path.

Problem with opamps is that they are not designed in general for the audio. First opamp really designed for audio was NE5532. It was about 25 years ago and Benchmark claims that it performs better than OPA627. Now National Semi. came with LM4562 but many claim that NE5532 has better midrange.

I was surprised with Rowlands selection of 180MHz amplifier and even more surprised when I checked datasheet - It is an audio amp. It has 180 MHz bandwidth but its full power bandwidth is only 800kHz (Capri swings 7V rms = 20Vp-p). Distortions start to climb-up starting from 10kHz so it was probably necessary to spike-up bandwidth to avoid distortions and any phase shift at 20kHz.

Dgarretson - Jeff Rowland used batteries in his preamps but now he "switched" to switching power supply (SMPS) in Capri. It should be easier to filter out high frequency than 120Hz and also to make stronger supply within same dimensions (and SMPS are load and line regulated) but unfortunately manufacturers use SMPS technology to make it cheap instead of better.

Somebody said that there are two types of fools in this world: One says "it is old and therefore good" while the other says "this is new and therefore better"

Kijanski, that is a funny phrase --> sometimes it is even true! But of course in general cars are much better now in terms of engineering and performance than those from 40 years ago. But with audio sometimes things from the past are better than the contemporary ones, like some power amplifiers (FM Acoustics, JDF Audio) and DAC's (Wadia 9, Goldmund, Krell). It has to do with execution (of course) but also with the implementation of no compromise discrete layouts only (this is at least my opinion). Personally I don't have anything against OPamps, but usually the sound with OPamps in the analog section of let's say a D/A converter the sound is becoming ultra clean (almost sterile, without the minutest dust or bacteria) and a bit bland/lifeless. This is for example what I think of the sound of the Benchmark DAC (which is a great performing DAC on itself).

Chris

Chris - I had a friend who believed that DAC IC should have current output to avoid I/V converter inside and be followed by the tube and discrete transistor circuits to avoid opamp. DAC itself has current sources build using monolithic, opamp like, technology - no escape from that.

I don't have enough experience to judge and my system is very modest, but logic tells me that added distortions add dynamics to the sound (distorted guitar vs clean jazz guitar). Yes, Benchmark sounded lifeless to me at first but it doesn't anymore while it still sounds extremely transparent and clean. I got used to this sound - or learned to listen, if you prefer. I read post where somebody asks how to make sound warmer and less detailed - read "exaggerate even harmonics and add a little distortion" (I advised blanket over speakers).

My small class D amp according to some Audiogon members (with better ears and more experience) has some problems with highs and harmonic structure but I think that for the money it is a great bargain.

Stereophile rated A, couple years ago, amplifier that costs $500k. In my opinion review wasn't necessary because any amplifier with that price tag and company still in business will be rated A. Everything is a matter of money and most of the time people ask for the best bargain and synergy in their systems. Opamps, in my opinion, are very good bargain.

OPA627 is a burr brown sound.. Exactly in its name a color "Brown" sound... Just kidding but its DARKer than other opamps... might be the ticket for a cheaper way to make a system that is over excited settle down, but with that goes a lot of strong bass and clarity..
I have used discretes vs. op amps and the burr browns the discrete will kill it if implemented correctly... I like Analog devices Top dog the AD843 best out of all single chip op amps, however very hard to find.