OTL Tube Amps-- are they superior to everything?


A recent conversation I had with an Audiogon member got me interested in OTLs. His opinion is that nothing compares to them for clarity, naturalness and superiority in just about every area. The Atmaspheres are the amps he has, and they are purportedly very stable, unlike most other OTL designs, which many can tell you were a living nightmare.

This is ironic, because some mfrs., like McIntosh, actually put output transformers on their better solid state pieces, claiming they provide superior sonics.

What is the truth here?
saxo
Tubegroover, Yes, the RF conversion transformer, is a transformer but Dude, again, like before, it's not in the signal path. So the signal is that of a direct plate to speaker output but this is achieved in the most absolutely ingenious and mind boggling way.
If you really study the design, you'll see that in fact it's superior to a regular OTL.
So maybe the best way to describe the ZH-270 is to say, it's like no other OTL, or there is no other OTL like it :)
Wow!!! TWL, you've been doing some reading :) but it's still even more complicated than that, if you can believe it :)
I do agree Allan and don't pretend to understand how this high frequency converter "carries" the signal and increases the turns ratio to 64-1 and matches impedance to the speakers, it is indeed mind boggling! My point is that a converter/transformer, regardless of how radical and different the approach, is used to achieve what this amp does. Explaining HOW it works would be informative to those wanting to understand this innovative design although I don't think it would be readily understood.

Saxo, if a man designs, builds and puts his name on a product and those products have stood the test of time and along the way have added really innovative approaches to solving some of the real world problems in getting the signal to is purest form, I would be less concerned about the complexity and maybe investigate further whether it is something that might work for you. Due to its features (auto-biasing, 3 feedback settings, 2 inputs for line source components), light weight (10 lbs), low heat output (100 watts idle, 300 watts full power) and most importantly sound reproduction I feel quite certain that I will keep it forever. It is just too cool in more ways than one!
Saxo, I apologize. However, I do own a pair of Atma Sphere M60 monoblocks.

Wellfed, yes it was the Paul Speltz Zero Autoformers I tried in my system. For about 1.5 months, on loan from a good friend, whose testimonial is on the website. Beginning with the 2X setting, and also with some higher multiplication configurations.

I do not deny that in your situation, the Zeroes made an improvement. I think that for the majority of loudspeakers, they will not only make that kind of difference, they are required. However, as I noted, there is a significant loss in the OTL magic. My opinion is that if someone were to go down the OTL path, a better option is to choose a high impedence loudspeaker from the get go. That way, none of the life of the OTL amplification is compromised whatsoever.
Yes, Allan, I studied this quite a bit before getting into Berning's amps. I also know about the RF carrier, and the "bus stop" get-on, and get-off routine. But I felt it was of no use to get into that here, because nobody has understood it previously, and I doubt anybody is going to get it now.

By the way, you should hear this battery powered, choke loaded 45 SE ZOTL. It's the cat's ass. I really would like to get an ear on those direct drive 270 amps you have too. I forgot what speakers you are matching them to. What are they?