Push-pull Tube Amps and autoformers


I’ve gone and done it and decided to marry my 1.7i Maggies to mono Quicksilver M60s that only output 60w per. Crazy, I know. But the sound is sweet, and mellow for my jazz, though yes, at lower volumes, and they certainly do not allow the Maggies a full sprint, like with the Parasound A21+ that I can switch to (Luxman AS-55) when I want to throw-down serious dBs. But still, I would like a bit more punch from the QS. So, that led me to Paul Speltzer’s Zero Boxes. I talked with Paul (great guy to talk things through with), and he wasn’t certain that the “push-pull” QS would benefit from the Zeros, (because they were originally designed more for OTL amps like Atmospheres.) But, after talking it through awhile, we thought it worth the 60 day return trial period to see if the Zeros might help add that punch, if I use the 8 or 16 ohm taps. They arrive in a couple of weeks, so I’ll know soon enough. But, in the meantime, any of you have input, or experience with using autoformers (or auto transformers) with push-pull amps like QS? (Please give me a pass on bad speaker/amp impedance matching, ok? I knowingly signed-up for low-powered tubes for my 84db Maggies because others I trust on this forum have had good things to say about doing crazy sh-t like that. And, its just a trial. So, chime in gently, please.

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Never tried what you are doing, but perhaps email Dick Olsher, who wrote this article?

First, my apologies to Paul for getting the spelling of his name wrong, Its, Speltz, not Speltzer.  And next, @hilde45, thanks for that link.  I have read Osler’s fine article/review  and saw he felt low-powered amps, (but particularly OTLs) might benefit from the Zeros, though he did try something I wouldn’t,  using the Zero between  a DIY SET and  high impedance speakers:  (“T-Rex 300B SET, a DIY design project in the works (still unpublished) using Plitron output transformers with only 8-ohm taps, and the Lowther DX4 BassZilla - a 97dB efficient loudspeaker with an 8-ohm nominal impedance rating”).  His results were kinda predictable and he admitted it was a push to go in that direction.  So, I expect different results, if not necessarily better, as I’m going to use the Zeros between  low-powered push-pull amps (4 ohm tap) on the 84db 4 ohm Maggies.  I really don’t know what I’ll get, but I’m still waiting to hear from anyone else that  may have already tried this or something similar.  Thanks though, I agree it’s a good article to start with.  

the auto former wont help, most push pull conventional tube amplifiers will play fine at most impedances it is the lack of power that is an issue you need 100-200watt tube amplifier or a tube preamp with a solid state amplifier

 

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Why would that be if power required loudness (without distortion ), is dependent on the how the speaker and amp communicate ohms. Doesnt the autoformer tell the speaker that it’s getting more ohms (8, 16) to allow higher volume with less or no distortion?  

no loudness is dependent on power of the amplifier and sensitivity of the loudspeaker a tube amplifier load matches via an output transformer so any additional device is un necessary

 

only otl amplifiers would need this

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