Put that in your pipe(s) and smoke it


I'll say it again: let's seek out the gem's and leave the rest, folks. Ignore the trolls, or be selective of the actual content they bring up - should you choose to reply; it may even hold an unexpected, worthwhile observation or two on a subject that could put into perspective our endeavors here.

More importantly, if we want this forum to allow for free speech and a degree of resilience, some around here should reconsider their liberal urge to hit the 'report' button, because that's the thing that truly annoys me and what I'd call the real trolls around here: the one's feeling offended on grounds I imagine to be so relative to their own agenda, indeed petty in nature, that their reporting a post or thread is likely to see no further inquiry by the admins and is therefore, simply by virtue of being a report alone, put into effect as an actual deletion.

We should be able to hold a conversation without someone feeling taken aback over what is, in the bigger scheme of things, insignificant issues. If not it's an ongoing, sad tendency to shut the mouths of those we don't agree with, or for some other flimsy reason don't like. 
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I have had a couple of posts removed in the past two years.  Both mentioned that certain companies manufacture their components in factories owned directly by the Chinese government.  I  wasn't critical of the western companies who do this, only supplying the information for those of us that might care about such things.It is one of a few subjects that are often taboo to discuss both in forums and in the audiophile print media.
@phusis Does that include @millercarbon and @kenjit? I notice their usual nonsense is missing in this thread.

22 posts and you insult already , nevermind the reason, 2 peoples, nevermind their posts content...

You are a rare bird....Congratulations!

I suggest to you to read about NDE and Dr. Eben Alexender a neurologist... You may learn something and not about audio tough....If you dont read book his conferences are  in youtube....Fascinating stuff.....

I apologize for my answer to your post but i hate those who choose collectively designed victim or easy target when they enter in a bar or in a new job or a new forum....Hating is stupid yes, but i am not perfect....

It remind me scapegoating in the schoolyard.....( i was not the victim but i was not in the effervescent crowd either)

Enjoy your life but be cautious.....
:)



@djones51 --

This forums value and purpose is to discuss music and the equipment that reproduces it, if the moderators allow the subject to stray to far afield from that purpose then it's value has been diminished. This arena is not the public square where any idiot can scream at the top of his voice his displeasure on any subject and when I see conspiracy theory nonsense and links to sites that promote them you can bet I'm banging on the report flag.

Moreover it's not an arena "... where any idiot can scream at the top of his voice his displeasure on any.. " 'posts' that he or she disapproves of by quickly fingering the report option, especially in light of:

@unsound 
... It seems as though the initial accusations are rewarded, before confirmation of the veracity of the allegations being made.

That's the main contention, but indeed a fine line to walk sometimes by the moderators judging whether to close a post/thread or not. My initial gripe was seeing threads going by the wayside when valid questions were there to be further explored (and not knowing whether the issue was the poster who initiated the thread or whether the subject matter rubbed someone the wrong way - it may even have been both), not least the deletions that followed where I inquired into these matters of reporting too easily/frequently (and following their calls with deletions). That's why I'm happy to see this thread re-surfaced.

@northman  --

Also, no one's free speech is imperiled by questioning why this thread was posted in the *speakers* forum (unless it's a subtle bit of etymological fun).

Context; my first reaction was the deletion of a thread on speaker improvement (or not) these last 20 years, and hence in light of what followed it seemed only natural to initiate this thread on this particular forum section so to involve those connected in these followings.

So, no "etymological fun" but rather a natural consequence of what unspooled here. 

@tuberculin --

Does that include @millercarbon and @kenjit? I notice their usual nonsense is missing in this thread.

My focus is neither, really.