Ridiculous resale price of vintage equiment


The price of used vintage is downright beyond ridiculous nowadays.

It seems like many hispters are buying crap based on the looks and many flippers are happily milking them.

As an audiophile and collector this really pisses me off... sure I could sell my collection for stratospheric numbers but then what would I do with my hobby?

When I see good looking stuff, like an ARC D70 MkII selling for as much as a crappy sounding, unrestored Marantz 2240.. well, I croak. Heck, I gave one of those away because they are not very good.

Today I was comparing my really recently rebuilt ( and I mean, really rebuilt, not just "recapped" ) Marantz 2325 and Sansui G-7500. The Marantz is dark but warm, the Sansui,which sounds a lot better than the Marantz, paints a nice musical landscape but has no real depth, etc... I gave them both the best chance, driving them from the pre-out of my CJ preamp so they are getting an outstanding source... and yet, well, they sound vintage.

Is the Marantz worth $2500? Is the Sansui worth $1500? From an audiophile point of view, nope. They look good, but my DIY Aleph 5 monos, my ARC D70 MkII, and a bunch of my other amps/preamps sound far better... and yet, they are not overpriced.

OK, except for the buffoon in eBay who was asking for $26K for his Pass Aleph 2 amps.

At least the poseurs have not found Quad yet.

What do you think? Are these prices interfering with your hobby?  

esporma

No they're fine. I'm a Mac guy.. The only thing better than Mac Vintage is more Mac vintage. Price out a pair Model 9 Reissue. Sansui when it's done right is one of the best sounding valve amps around.. Marantz has a flavor that's hard to beat if it's not doing bass duty. I love Marantz # 9s and Strathearn ribbons.. 

A lot of work to rebuild some of these units. Try a C20. 100 caps alone, not counting a phono rework and hotrod the PS. Sure sound good..

Note that I’m not referring to old truly vintage gear.. I’m not negating that older stuff, usually with tubes in it, are worth rebuilding because tubes have a sound quality (mostly in the midrange) that makes them extremely appealing. Take a Fisher... clean it up, put new tubes.. or take say a Nakamichi PA7 MkI with a knock off of Nelson Pass’ Statis... but that’s stuff that WE audiophiles into the hobby know about. So, we know what’s worth money.

I’m referring primarily to stuff built in the 70s that looks very good but sounds... pffft... the issue is that as the prices of those things goes skyhigh, it puts a damper in the market as honesty and integrity goes out the window. eBay is the best example of this at play... then you got places like Reddit filled with people that really have NO clue about audio quality and are getting really terrible advice... ( Wow, dude, that 8 track you paid $200 at Goodwill sure looks rad... )...

Here’s a flipper.. he turned down my offer... ;-)

 

Here’s another one...

The Marantz products of the 50s and early 60s have little to do with a 74 (73?) Marantz 2220 who someone is listing for $1349..99.

I know how much it costs rebuild cost, trust me.   But $1349.99 for a 2220 receiver?

Right now I got the Sansui G-7500 playing in the background... I paid a ton to get it redone, took a lot of work to find the actual replacement transistors. The Marantz 2325 is on the dining room table right now... it just doesn’t sound as musical.

Yet, these are some of the best products out there. Why then would someone list a Superscope 7 watt receiver for $350 bucks?

It just makes no sense except for ignorance and greed.

I find with the current climate of high rents and house prices as well as job losses due to Covid, people are trying to sell equipment way beyond its worth.

 

Found a guy trying to sell a 1988 NAD 7020e tuner/amp for $580.

Seen many examples of this over the past year.

Jerry-

I don’t think it’s people who need money, I think it’s a combination of people staying at home, having not many things to spend money on and as the prices started to go up, the flippers stepped in and took it from there.

In regards to used NAD components.. that’s a case where they are not "sexy" even though they sound really good. I have a Monitor Series 1700 pre/tuner and a pair of 2200 amps... and they punch really way above their price point. Yet, no one seems to love them.

While a crappy ’73 Superscope receiver with 7 watts is listed at 300 bucks, the 1700 barely breaks 200. Go figure... such is the distortion in the market.

not only gear, NOS tubes have taken hike as well, very glad I stocked up when I did. There‘s a dude called Bangy Bang tubes on ebay charging eye watering prices for really commonplace stuff..