I can't hear the differences......
And neither can you 😎
It's so easy in this wonderful hobby of ours, for anyone to claim anything without proof, reason, logic or science.
Oh...and I can hear from 15Hz to 22.8KHz 👅
SAT 30K+$$ TONEARM: W O R T H T O H A V E I T ?
from your Stereophile review the SAT specs are as follows: P2S: 212.2mm, overhang: 22.8mm, offset angle 26.10° with an effective length: 235mm.
Those numbers tell us that you are listening ( with any cartridge. ) way higher distortion levels, that you just do not detected even today, against almost any other tonearm/cartridge combination.
Obviously that the SAT needs a dedicated protractor to make the cartridge/tonearm set up but we have to analize what those specs/numbers has to say:
the SAT maximum traking error is a really high: 3.09° when in a normal ( Jelco or Ortofon. ) 235m Effective Length tonearm Löfgren A alignment ( IEC standard. ) is only: 1.84°
the SAT maximum distortion % level is: 2.67 when in that normal tonearm only 0.633
the SAT average RMS % distortion is: 0.616 when in normal tonearm only :
0.412 ( Löfgren B even lower: 0.37 ).
All those makes that the linnear offset in the SAT be 10mm longer than in a normal tonearm ! !
All those are facts and you or Mr. Gomez can’t do nothing to change it. Pure mathematics reality.
You posted in that review: """ Marc Gomez has chosen null points of 80 and 126mm instead of the more commonly used 66 and 121mm. """
that’s a deep misunderstood on tonearm/cartridge alignment input/output calulations in the overall equations used for that alignment:
NULL POINTS WERE NOT CHOOSED BY MR. GOMEZ BUT ARE PART OF THE OUTPUT DATA ON THOSE ALIGNMENTS CALCULATIONS.
In the same is not true your statement: """ the more commonly used 66 and 121mm. """
that " commonly " just does not exist and only depends of the standard choosed for the calculations.
There are several other things in that SAT design that not only are not orthodox but that has a negative influence in what we are listening it:
he said that the tonearm owner can change the bearing friction levels and this characteristics could tell to you that’s a " good thing " but it’s not but all the way the opposite because makes not a fully 100% steady bearings.
Ask you a question?: why the best top cartridges use cantilevers of boron and not carbon fiber, it does not matters that laminated carbon fiber the SAT has.
Carbon fiber is way resonant no matter what. In the past existed cartridges with CF cantilever and sounds inferior to the boron ones. ....................................................................................................................................................................... the designer was and is proud that the tonearm self resonance happens at around 2.8khz, go figure ! ! !. It happens way inside the human been frequency range instead to stays out of that frequency range. """"
Dear friends and owners of the SAT: way before the mounted cartridge on it hits the very first LP groove and against any other vintage or today tonearm you have way higher distortions that per sé preclude you can listen a real and true top quality level performance and does not matters the audio system you own.
What we can listen through the SAT is an inferior quality performance levels with higher distortions. Obviously that all reviewers and owners like those heavy distortions but that does not means they are rigth because and with all respect all of them are wrong.
Some one send the link of what I posted to the SAT designer and latter on ( I do not knew he read my post. ) I ask for him for the information about the effective mass of the SAT. He gave me a " rude " answer and did not disclose that information that in reallity was not important in that moment.
I have to say that at least two professional reviewers bougth the SAT tonearm., both with the Continnum/Cobra TT/tonearm. At least one of them say the SAT outperforms the Cobra one ( maybe both, who knows why bougth it the other reviewer. )
The credentials of the SAT designer are impecable and really impressive ones but no single of those credentials speaks about audio and certainly not on analog audio.
He is a true " roockie " enthusiast ( and I say it with respect.) and obviously that is welcomed in the high-end " arena/area/ring " where all of us are learning at each single day. Any one that’s marketing an audio item has a true merit and this is not under discussion: SAT designer has his own merit for that.
You that are reading this thread permit me to ask: what do you think, overall, about?, at the end audiophiles are the ones that has the last " word " or should be that way.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
@daveyf I don't assume, I know. Below is a link to a picture of his turntables. And guess what, the SAT is on his Airforce one. So let's try this again Davey, what is a better platform for the SAT....a Linn? Haha https://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?26052-American-Sound-AS-2000-Installations-Far-East-(T... |
Dear @daveyf : I posted that always exist trade offs and that the ones in a fxed headshell design are worse than in a well designed removable headshel tonearm. I agree with @halcro in that audio regards and as him I owned/own both kind of designs and the fixed one has no single advantage you can be aware vs a removable headshel design. I remember that Da Vinci very well regarded and expensive tonearm design was not only with fixed headshell but with out the possibility to change AZ, this last trade off makes no sense to any one and not for a tonearm manufacturer. Guess what?, after many critics everywhere in the net including in this Agon forum about those two trade offs they changed for the better and the tonearm comes with AZ mechanism and removable headshell. Makes no sense to stay " married " with a signature sound in a fixed headshell tonearm designs. The SAT is the same because you only can use its dedicated headshells. Btw, In that WTBF are many whealty gentlemans, some audiophile/music lover experts and a lot of very low knowledge levels/high ignorance levels in MUSIC/audio. That's why the fest for that 3012 and many other kind of audio items including the SAT and I'm not saying that the SAT is a bad tonearm because it's not but is not " perfect ", nothing is in audio. And any one of you can post my post down that forum and you will read every kind of reactions that can confirm about. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
@jeff1225 You know what they say about people who assume things... look here...and then stop ass uming, LOL: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?26052-American-Sound-AS-2000-Installations-Far-East-(T... |
@rauliruegas Raul, no one has stated that there are no good removable headshell designs...however, if all else is equal, the loss at the removable headshell junction to the arm is going to be a factor vs. the one piece headshell with no wiring junction at that point. Ideally, the cabling should go all the way from the cartridge to the phono stage...with no breaks. What I am discussing here is the old war horse SME 3012R headshell design...not other far more sophisticated designs. The DaVinci made some extra effort to minimize this problem....the old SME design did not. |