Seriously considering tube preamp…opinions?


Tube virgin, here. I am building a system and I'm trying to contain the preamp/amp cost to $3k or so. (I could go up a little.) 

I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.

I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.

So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —

1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.

2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?

3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?

4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?




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Hi Markus,
My speakers are only 90db but a very flat 8 ohm impedance.
And my listening tastes are mostly acoustic and not high volume.
My amps are pretty expensive 4 chassis 300B at 8 watts but they have a lot of push with the separate power supplies.

@bluethinker Marcus, I received your message, but I can't reply, so I dug up an old post.  I don't have payment information and a phone number on file with Audiogon, so I can't send messages.

I have a couple of output tubes (using Sylvania bad boy 12SN7GT), but the input tubes seem to make the most difference.

My favorites are Telefunken Diamond Bottom ECC801S.  A close second are Siemens ECC801S (German made in 60's or early 70s). I could happily live with these.  They have just slightly less detail than the Telefunken.

I have also used Brimar 6060 Yellow T (CV4024).  If you want a warmer tube with slightly rolled off highs, they sound great.  Tried some JAN-Philips 12AT7WC because they were cheap.  They actually weren't too bad, but I didn't use them. The preamp shipped with some Trigon 12AT7 that were actually my least favorites.

Yeah I have a Chinese tube preamp ,I use with with my Carver 500T.Sounds great.