SET 45 Amp Driving Dynamic Speakers


I have an Antique Sound Labs Tulip SET amp running Emission Labs mesh plate 45s, driving Audio Note AN E speakers. It will play WAY louder than I want to listen, and the dynamics are amazing with all types of music.

Why do I keep reading that 45s (and other low power triodes) are only appropriate for horns, or other super efficient speakers? I think a real disservice has been done to the audiophile community by the propagation of this idea. IMO, anyone who prefers to listen to music at sane levels can enjoy the many benefits of a low power SET amp with carefully chosen dynamic speakers.

Anyone else feel this way/have similar experience?
tommylion
A type 45 can make about a 1 watt or slightly less running single ended.

To really appreciate what they can do (which is to say, they usually sound better than a 2A3 or 300b amplifier) you actually do need some efficiency and the only way to get the efficiency you need is with a horn system unless you are in a really small room, perhaps a closet.

If you drive the amp too hard, the odd-ordered harmonics that the ear uses to gauge sound pressure will appear. This causes the amplifier to sound 'dynamic'. In the initial opening post, we can see that this is happening. Its important to understand that this 'dynamic' quality is really the result of distortion appearing on the transients where most of the power requirements exist. Its a physiological interaction with how we perceive sound.

The problem is, once you know this, you can perceive it as distortion, not just 'dynamics' (in about 90% of audiophile conversations, the word 'dynamics' can be safely substituted with the word 'distortion' without changing the meaning of the conversation). So if you have read this far, I may have wrecked it for you.

You can prove this easily enough by obtaining a sound pressure level meter. They are available as apps for smartphones. You will see that its really not playing that loud- it just sounds like it due to distortion.
Atmasphere raises a valid point however context is essential. How loud is loud enough ? Clearly there’s no single right answer as limits are individually set by a listener. We all determine our respective comfort zones of SPL(sound pressure level). Tommie’s Audio Note speakers are 95-97 db sensitivity. If he listens at say an average SPL 75-80 db he’s using mini watt power i.e. small fractions of 1 watt. Depending on room size and music genre he is likely as happily content as he describes. The vast majority of his enjoyable listening could be occurring in the mini watt power region. numerous variables must be considered. "Just right" volume level for one person may be too soft or too loud for another.


Tommie what SPL do you typically listen at in your home? Not everyone seeks 100-110 db peaks.it all depends on what makes you satisfied.
I have owned many 45 SET amps as well as loads of other SET to get the best out of 45 I have had to biamp even on horns the 45 SET doesn't drive woofers well but is amazing  on horns. I have had some luck using with fullrange BLH with 45 SET. But I do see many SETing themselves up for failure by not matching loudspeaker to amp. 
When I checked my levels in the past, I didn't get much above 90 db on peaks. That was setting it as loud as I would ever want to listen. Most of the time, it was lower than that. 100 db peaks must be painful, not to mention the potential for hearing damage.

I'll have to pull out my db meter and check again.

I use an autoformer passive preamp. My understanding is that, in contrast to a resistive volume control, the output impedance gets lower as you lower the setting. This results in better sound at lower volumes, which corresponds with my experience.
Hello Tommie,
Given your preferred listening levels and comfort zone I can understand why you are satisfied with your 45 SET and Audio Note speaker match, Congratulations. As I mentioned earlier not everyone desires or wants to listen that loudly (100db or greater peaks). This is strictly an individual preference issue. If you have good hearing ability (and want to preserve it) your limits of listening volume would satisfy many other listeners as well. To each their own as the saying goes. Tommie 100 db SPL is loud (though not necessarily uncomfortable). I’ve measured this level at live venues with unamplified instruments and even under these natural conditions (no electronic distortions via PA system) it’s definitely perceived as loud. I’m assuming that a listener is without some degree of hearing loss. Otherwise perception of loudness would certainly vary.
Charles,