solid core VS stranded for inside speaker cabinet


I recently purchased a crossover upgrade DIY from a popular seller GR research for a Klip 504c however the seller sent me in the kit Solid core wire as part of the kit   , I always thought stranded was best and I haven't really seen solid used before inside of a speaker cabinet , I was taught that electrons flow on the outside of a wire not the inside so having many strands is better vs 1 16 awg solid core wire , I thought that this seller maybe just wanted to save a little money by sending this wire out but he insists solid core is better , my gut wants me to finish this project off with stranded not solid core , I want to ask what's better and why,  is it possible solid wire from the cross over to the speaker is better or is stranded better from the cross over to the speaker? 

ngiordano

@ngiordano

First off, good call on proceeding with the upgrade. You should hear a substantial improvement in sound quality. As a wise man once said; "It might take plastic surgery to get the smile off your face."

The solid vs stranded debate has been around for many decades. It’s a bit like one person saying: "6+6=12" and another responding with: "No, 6+6 CAN’T be 12!! 8+4 is 12!!" BOTH answers are correct.

There are many factors that contribute to how a cable "sounds". Or, as one person suggested: "Cables can’t make a system sound better. They can only make it sound worse." Very good advice, indeed. "Damage control" is the goal. So, doing no harm (or, less harm) is the key to cable design. OEM cables, in general, make things sound worse.

Geometry, choice of materials, dialetric (effect of insulators), shielding, and gauge are a few of the (but not all) elements that determine how good a cable "sounds." If a designer pays close attention to all the above, you’ll probably have a cable worth owning.

I have performed dozens of speaker mods over the years. My "rule of thumb" is to try to use some version of the same cable that the owner selected between the amp the speakers. This cable cable was probably selected by the owner after careful evaluation and the "personality" of the cable is compatible with the "personality" of the listener. IF the cable is available in bulk, and IF the cable can be manhandled inside of a speaker cabinet, then it’s a good choice. Sometimes a "dumbed-down" version of the cable is required (smaller gauge, different material), but even with these compromises it will still be sonically superior than OEM by a wide margin.

That being said, our "go to" cables are solid core. We just have a foundness of a certain manufacturer’s products. Not due to solid core, but they just check all the boxes on our "damage control" list.

On a closing note, short lengths do matter. We were quite curious about this a while back and did testing with various 12" cables cables. And, yes, you can hear a difference in short runs. Even 12" of mediocre cables can do a lot of damage.

It certanly appears that GR Research has done their homework and provided you with a well thought out product. The big question is not whether they use solid vs stranded, but what is the first cut you’re going to pick to evaluate the upgrade?

Enjoy!

if you're going to rewire your speaker internal wire use OCC single Crystal copper wow what a difference, I got a 10 to 15% improvement across the board over anything ofc, that's what was in the speaker prior to me upgrading.

In my ’limited’ experience I find waytoomuchstuff statements true

Geometry, choice of materials, dielectric (effect of insulators), shielding, and gauge are a few of the (but not all) elements that determine how good a cable "sounds." If a designer pays close attention to all the above, you’ll probably have a cable worth owning.

My "rule of thumb" is to try to use some version of the same cable that the owner selected between the amp the speakers.

On a closing note, short lengths do matter.

 

Cardas has interesting cable geometry that should have an effect on sound, doesn’t seem to use OCC copper, and don’t care to mention how much silver is in their solder. I think silver in cables and possibly solder is important in my system.

GR Research internal speaker cable is a no name OFC solid core. jaytor mentioned that the difference between it and the Neotech OCC was subtle. That is interesting, for the sake of my wallet I hope so.

Two days ago I ordered a sample length of the Neotech CU-AG OCC which has 20% OCC silver. I will compare it to the combination I use now for internal wiring. This combination comprises of the van den hul clearwater + Audioquest Rocket11.

I hope the difference is small, otherwise my wallet will suddenly get lighter 😄.

@waytoomuchstuff what cables do you recommend please?

By the way, speaking of wire lengths, I used my cable combination to replace a 2 feet 12v dc shielded cable that supplies the streamer and sound changed to the better.

 

 

@tjag

"what cables do you recommend please?"

I hestate to use the word "recommend" in that I don’t want to imply that I’m the wire guru and my solution is the preferred solution over others. I’ve auditioned many cables over the years, but my knowledge base does not include many listed here, which may, in fact sound better than what I use. That being said, I've been successful using Audioquest cables in most of my projects with predictable results. Rocket 33, 44 & 88 provide good bang for the buck, although they are not inexpensive. These are set up as single bi-wire, so you are actually getting two cables in one making the cost-per-foot lower than a similar full-range cable. The HF section has smaller conductors, and there’s a little more "meat" in the LF section.

You mentioned Rocket 11. I like this cable on a budget. Just a note, though, that it is actually a stranded cable and not solid core. AQ aligns the strains in straight rows next to each other vs twisting them, which AQ feels creates an advantage. Rocket 33 and up are superior sonically. And, give you the opportunity to spend more money. AQ does offer full range solid core in bulk, but not as easy to find.

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